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That then is the nexus of our disagreement because I agree with every last word of what Victor wrote on that thread! My response is right below his post.

Wonderful.  Very happy for you.  As I said, I agree with some but not all.  Hopefully that's not a sin here yet...
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Wonderful.  Very happy for you.  As I said, I agree with some but not all.  Hopefully that's not a sin here yet...

Disagreeing with me?  Haven't you read the bylaws?  It's punishable by death, as it should be. 

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Wonderful.  Very happy for you.  As I said, I agree with some but not all.  Hopefully that's not a sin here yet...

I don't run anything here but as for as I'm concerned it certainly isn't!
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"I can't tell anyone how to vote.  But to suggest that someone who is actually willing to cross the aisle to help forge legislation is evil makes no sense to me.  Litmus tests are great for choosing a doctor, but less so when choosing a representative."



Reaching across the aisle USED to be an honorable thing, when both parties wanted America to succeed.  But, there are some things you cannot compromise on.  I think today's Democrat party has very little to offer anyone that believes in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!  How do you compromise on those things?   :shrug:

An even bigger problem than the Democrats, are Republicans that actually agree with them!  Those R's have certainly lost their way and they need to be reigned in.  I know there are a lot of members here that actually want to see amnesty, or amnesty-lite passed.  There are members here that the thought of just tinkering with and trying to fix Obamacare is a good thing.  People are certainly entitled to their opinions and it's true that the GOP is a big tent - but there are also a lot of us that don't feel these things should be compromised and we feel that the American people spoke pretty plainly in November that we want the dang stuff stopped!

That's where I do get riled up, when the people we elect to represent us - stop representing us and start representing themselves.  A lot of people are sick to death of it.  I, for one, realize that we are in a minority right now - but I will just say flat out - we mean to change that!

We feel deep in our bones that is the only thing that will save this country from the Titanic cruise we are currently on.

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Reaching across the aisle USED to be an honorable thing, when both parties wanted America to succeed.  But, there are some things you cannot compromise on.  I think today's Democrat party has very little to offer anyone that believes in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!  How do you compromise on those things?   :shrug:

An even bigger problem than the Democrats, are Republicans that actually agree with them!  Those R's have certainly lost their way and they need to be reigned in.  I know there are a lot of members here that actually want to see amnesty, or amnesty-lite passed.  There are members here that the thought of just tinkering with and trying to fix Obamacare is a good thing.  People are certainly entitled to their opinions and it's true that the GOP is a big tent - but there are also a lot of us that don't feel these things should be compromised and we feel that the American people spoke pretty plainly in November that we want the dang stuff stopped!

That's where I do get riled up, when the people we elect to represent us - stop representing us and start representing themselves.  A lot of people are sick to death of it.  I, for one, realize that we are in a minority right now - but I will just say flat out - we mean to change that!

We feel deep in our bones that is the only thing that will save this country from the Titanic cruise we are currently on.

Well said Alice! Well said indeed!   :beer:
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Disagreeing with me?  Haven't you read the bylaws?  It's punishable by death, as it should be.

 :laugh:  Will this help at all Vic?

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Reaching across the aisle USED to be an honorable thing, when both parties wanted America to succeed.  But, there are some things you cannot compromise on.  I think today's Democrat party has very little to offer anyone that believes in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!  How do you compromise on those things?   :shrug:

Until you have 60 votes, you're either going to sit down with the opposition or go home.  Even then, some of your 60 votes may actually want to allow amendments to a bill submitted by the minority.  And most legislation isn't about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  It's about running the federal government.

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An even bigger problem than the Democrats, are Republicans that actually agree with them!  Those R's have certainly lost their way and they need to be reigned in.

Wow, right out of George Orwell.   

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I know there are a lot of members here that actually want to see amnesty, or amnesty-lite passed.

I don't know of any such members here.  I do know of some who actually want to see immigration reform that includes better border security, stronger employer sanctions, and changes to the educational and skill requirements for residency, English language proficiency, and end to chain migration, better fraud-proof id.

And those same members know that we're never going to deport every illegal here, and rather than putting everyone in the same bucket, we provide a system where those without felonies or gang relationships can get a shot at legalization, so that the feds can actually go after drug and human traffickers, gang bangers and the perpetrators of fraud in the system.

Are those the members you are referring to?

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There are members here that the thought of just tinkering with and trying to fix Obamacare is a good thing.  People are certainly entitled to their opinions and it's true that the GOP is a big tent - but there are also a lot of us that don't feel these things should be compromised and we feel that the American people spoke pretty plainly in November that we want the dang stuff stopped!

I saw a lot of evidence that the voters want Obama's "my way or the highway" tyranny put to an end.  But I missed all that evidence that the voters didn't want any negotiation and compromise to get energy, immigration, tax reform, debt and other issues worked on through legislation.

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That's where I do get riled up, when the people we elect to represent us - stop representing us and start representing themselves.  A lot of people are sick to death of it.  I, for one, realize that we are in a minority right now - but I will just say flat out - we mean to change that!

Good.  I'm always glad to see political activism as long as it moves us toward a stronger Republican Party.  And if in your crusade you concentrate on issues most Americans are interested in too, you might make some headway. 
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Until you have 60 votes, you're either going to sit down with the opposition or go home.
Or you can simply redefine the rule midstream, as Harry Reid did not too long ago.
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Or you can simply redefine the rule midstream, as Harry Reid did not too long ago.

This is the salient point.  Not having 60 votes did not stop the other side from enacting the worst piece of socialist legislation in the history of the Republic. 

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This is the salient point.  Not having 60 votes did not stop the other side from enacting the worst piece of socialist legislation in the history of the Republic.

Harry's nuclear option is allowing most appointments that might have been argued.  Obamacare was passed without the 60 vote debate shutoff using "reconciliation", which BTW, has been used by Republicans too.  But most legislation introduced in the Senate still requires a cloture vote.  How McConnell will handle this isn't clear yet, though many see him keeping the lower threshold.
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Never been a member of the graham fan club but the article is poorly written and intentionally misleading.  First the article says he is 55 and then 4 or 5 lines down, it says he is 59.  The two lines "referencing"  the Tea Party do not appear to me to have been connected, missing statements in between.  Not convinced he hates the tea party.

That said, he is a sell out, not mushy...