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Euthanasia Doctors Seek Existential Answers at Auschwitz

By Katrin Kuntz

Photo Gallery: A Trip to Auschwitz Photos
 Maria Feck/ DER SPIEGEL

A group of Belgium’s leading practitioners of euthanasia recently visited the Auschwitz concentration camp memorial to learn more about death and humanity. The trip proved to be just as controversial for the doctors as it did insightful.   Photo Gallery: A Trip to Auschwitz

Wim Distelmans is responsible for the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of people. He’s a man who scrupulously studies his field of work. In London he visited the world’s first modern hospice, and he toured the first home for the dying in Scotland. He has even flown as far afield as Moscow to gain a better understanding of how we deal with death and dying. Now, his next study tour will take him to Poland. Distelmans is a palliative doctor from Brussels — a physician who helps people die. He’s nervous. He didn’t sleep well and he was up early. The prospect of visiting Auschwitz makes him feel uneasy.



On this October morning, Distelmans, 62, is standing at a gate at the Brussels Airport. He’s a man with ice-blue eyes and gray hair that is slightly wavy at the neck. Distelmans is wearing a brown leather jacket over a T-shirt, hiking pants and a blue-and-white striped linen scarf — and he’s taller than the people around him — and quieter. A few hours ago, at five in the morning, he received a call. A friend who is a concentration camp survivor, and had been planning to accompany the group to Auschwitz as a tour guide, has called off her trip because she has come down with a cold.

Distelmans gazes at the people flocking around him. “Good morning, how are you?” he says greeting them, as he slaps the men on the shoulder and kisses the women on the cheek. He says he isn’t sure whether the tour guide’s cancellation has anything to do with the destination of their five-day study tour.

Some 70 people gradually gather around Distelmans. The group consists of doctors, psychologists and nurses from Belgium, most of whom work in the area of euthanasia. One of them is Eric Vandevelde, who during the course of his career has killed 20 people at their own request even as he helps women give birth every day. He’s accompanied by his wife Colette, who was instrumental in introducing Belgium’s euthanasia law 12 years ago. Manu Keirse, a psychologist, is also on hand. He’s the author of 35 books, nearly all of which are on the topic of mourning. There’s also Bea Verbeeck, a psychiatrist who is currently examining a request by a manic depressive man who gambles away tousands during his manic phases. Distelmans, who is the chairman of the Belgian government’s Euthanasia Commission, has invited all of them on a trip to Poland.

MORE: http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/belgian-euthanasia-doctors-seek-answers-at-auschwitz-a-1003441.html

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2014, 01:00:11 pm »
The Nazis termed the "humane" killing of the mentally and physically handicapped, the elderly and infirm  "euthanasia."
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 01:41:33 pm »
If someone want's to end their own life, it's their own business.
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 09:06:05 pm »
If someone want's to end their own life, it's their own business.

Not with Obama! :whistle:

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 09:18:44 pm »
If someone want's to end their own life, it's their own business.


I agree, however, what I have the problem with is the state sponsored euthanasia.. Which could happen with socialized medicine.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2014, 04:55:22 am »
Tell these jackoffs to save the cost of the airplane ticket, buy and read  "The Nazi Doctors" by Robert Lifton, and then take a long, hard look in the mirror.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2014, 05:20:22 am »
If you want to read a book on Hitler's scientific programs which includes Euthanasia read "Hitler's Scientists by John Cornwell

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2014, 05:55:05 am »
The Nazis termed the "humane" killing of the mentally and physically handicapped, the elderly and infirm  "euthanasia."

They also called it Racial hygiene

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2014, 11:06:37 am »
They also called it Racial hygiene

Aktion T4 for "defectives", mental or physical.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2014, 02:33:29 am »
Aktion T4 for "defectives", mental or physical.

Racial Hygiene was also very strong here in the United States.The idea of sterilising those carrying hereditary defects or exhibiting what was thought to be hereditary antisocial behaviour was widely accepted

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2014, 02:37:52 am »
Racial Hygiene was also very strong here in the United States.The idea of sterilising those carrying hereditary defects or exhibiting what was thought to be hereditary antisocial behaviour was widely accepted

Yup.  People don't realize, how much of the "Nazi Laws" had some sort of basis in America.  Well, kind of.  And how much of the modern Leftist thought process came from the Nazis.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2014, 03:18:59 am »
[[ Euthanasia Doctors Seek Existential Answers at Auschwitz ]]

"An existential question at Dachau"

It was autumn many years ago. The two soldiers strolled through the kozentrationkampf at Dachau.

They first toured the barracks, where Jews and other enemies of the state were confined, in starvation and disease.

Then, they walked into the gas chambers and gazed at the scrawl markings on the white-tiled walls. (Interesting fact: the gas chambers at Dachau were never used)

Next, they walked into the crematoria, where the ashes of the incinerated still lay in the retorts. One soldier stuck his hand in, to feel them beneath his fingers.

Finally, they walked out and across the grounds. One soldier turned to the other and said, "well, you've seen the working conditions, do you want the job?"

(Note: A true story, from 1971. I was the one who felt for the ashes, and asked the question…)

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2014, 05:16:05 am »
Yup.  People don't realize, how much of the "Nazi Laws" had some sort of basis in America.  Well, kind of.  And how much of the modern Leftist thought process came from the Nazis.

I believe in Sweden between 1935 and 1975 they euthanized something around 60,000 people

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2014, 02:53:57 pm »
Racial Hygiene was also very strong here in the United States.The idea of sterilising those carrying hereditary defects or exhibiting what was thought to be hereditary antisocial behaviour was widely accepted
Wasn't it Margaret Sanger who thought blacks  should be weeded out?
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2014, 04:21:46 pm »
Racial Hygiene was also very strong here in the United States.The idea of sterilising those carrying hereditary defects or exhibiting what was thought to be hereditary antisocial behaviour was widely accepted


Margaret Sanger supported it did she?
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2014, 06:44:21 pm »

Margaret Sanger supported it did she?

Yes she did. She was also the founder of Planned Parenthood.

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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2014, 08:33:26 pm »
Trigger wrote above:
[[ Racial Hygiene was also very strong here in the United States….]]

Who was the Supreme Court Justice who proclaimed, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough!" ??

The concept of eugenics had a fairly strong following among academia in the first quarter of the twentieth century, until the Germans came along and gave it a bad name in the Fourth Reich.

Since then, it's been one of those things that "politically respectable" types won't touch with a ten-foot pole...
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2014, 08:38:51 pm »
Trigger wrote above:
[[ Racial Hygiene was also very strong here in the United States….]]

Who was the Supreme Court Justice who proclaimed, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough!" ??

The concept of eugenics had a fairly strong following among academia in the first quarter of the twentieth century, until the Germans came along and gave it a bad name in the Fourth Reich.

Since then, it's been one of those things that "politically respectable" types won't touch with a ten-foot pole...

I believe it was Oliver Wendell Holmes.  The imbecile comment.  Real swells we had there.
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2014, 04:56:55 am »
I believe it was Oliver Wendell Holmes.  The imbecile comment.  Real swells we had there.

The Rockefeller Foundation helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz. The State of California had a pretty robust eugenics program in the 1930s.
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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2014, 03:43:04 pm »
The Rockefeller Foundation helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz. The State of California had a pretty robust eugenics program in the 1930s.

Actually, before he went to Auschwitz, Mengele had been a medical officer with the 5th SS "Wiking" Division in Russia where he was wounded severely enough to be non-combat effective. Mengele was part of the programs you refer to while working on his "doctorate".
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2014, 12:53:42 am »
Actually, before he went to Auschwitz, Mengele had been a medical officer with the 5th SS "Wiking" Division in Russia where he was wounded severely enough to be non-combat effective. Mengele was part of the programs you refer to while working on his "doctorate".

But he was still took part and believed in the Rocketfeller Foundation's programs and then practiced it
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