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ISIS Video: America’s Air Dropped Weapons Now in Our Hands
« on: October 21, 2014, 04:40:13 pm »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/21/isis-video-america-s-air-dropped-weapons-now-in-our-hands.html



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ISIS Video: America’s Air Dropped Weapons Now in Our Hands
In a new video, ISIS shows American-made weapons it says were intended for the Kurds but actually were air dropped into territory they control.

At least one bundle of U.S. weapons airdropped in Syria appears to have fallen into the hands of ISIS, a dangerous misfire in the American mission to speed aid to Kurdish forces making their stand in Kobani.

An ISIS-associated YouTube account posted a new video online Tuesday entitled, “Weapons and munitions dropped by American planes and landed in the areas controlled by the Islamic State in Kobani.” The video was also posted on the Twitter account of “a3maq news,” which acts as an unofficial media arm of ISIS. The outfit has previously posted videos of ISIS fighters firing American made Howitzer cannons and seizing marijuana fields in Syria.

ISIS had broadly advertised its acquisition of a broad range of U.S.-made weapons during its rampage across Iraq. ISIS videos have showed its fighters driving U.S. tanks, MRAPs, Humvees. There are unconfirmed reports ISIS has stolen three fighter planes from Iraqi bases it conquered.

The authenticity of this latest video could not be independently confirmed, but the ISIS fighters in the video are in possession of a rich bounty of American hand grenades, rounds for small rockets, and other supplies that they will surely turn around and use on the Kurdish forces they are fighting in and around the Turkish border city.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOuPX6z50EM

On Monday, White House Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes said the U.S. government was confident that the emergency airdropped supplies for the Kurdish forces near Kobani were falling into the right hands.

“We feel very confident that, when we air drop support as we did into Kobani… we’ve been able to hit the target in terms of reaching the people we want to reach,” Rhodes told CNN. “What I can assure people is that, when we are delivering aid now, we focus it on the people we want to receive that assistance. Those are civilians in need. Those are forces that we’re aligned with in the fight against ISIL [the government’s preferred acronym for ISIS], and we take precautions to make sure that it’s not falling into the wrong hands.”

Rhodes was responding to questions about a Monday report in The Daily Beast that U.S. humanitarian aid was flowing into ISIS controlled areas near Kobani by truck. That aid was mostly food and medical supplies, not the kind of lethal weapons in the new ISIS video.

Senior administration officials said Sunday that three American planes dropped a total of 27 bundles near Kobani and more U.S. air drops could come as part of the joint U.S.-Iraqi effort to aid Kurdish fighters in the Kobani area. The supplies were provided by Kurdish authorities, the official said.

In the new footage, the weapons appear to be U.S. made. There have also been at least 135 air strikes against ISIS in the area, according to the State Department.

The airstrikes and air drops appear to be having an impact. The Daily Beast’s Jamie Dettmer, reporting from the Syrian border, said the morale in Kobani has shifted in the last 24 hours. But ISIS continues to hold major swaths of territory in and around Kobani, despite widespread media reports to the contrary. And the civilians there are suffering, badly.

“I think what this represents is the President recognizes this is going to be a long-term campaign against ISIL; and that we need to look for whatever opportunity we can find to degrade that enemy and to support those who are fighting against ISIL on the ground,” a senior administration official told reporters.
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Re: ISIS Video: America’s Air Dropped Weapons Now in Our Hands
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2014, 04:51:06 pm »
An ISIS-associated YouTube account posted a new video online Tuesday entitled, “Weapons and munitions dropped by American planes and landed in the areas controlled by the Islamic State in Kobani.”
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“We feel very confident that, when we air drop support as we did into Kobani… we’ve been able to hit the target in terms of reaching the people we want to reach,” Rhodes told CNN.

I don't see any contradiction.

The U.S. gave weapons and munitions to the people they wanted to have them...


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Re: ISIS Video: America’s Air Dropped Weapons Now in Our Hands
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 05:06:48 pm »
Yep not a mistake.


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Re: ISIS Video: America’s Air Dropped Weapons Now in Our Hands
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2014, 01:42:26 am »
Sigh, you guys beat me to it.

Nothin' unintentional goin' on here...

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Re: ISIS Video: America’s Air Dropped Weapons Now in Our Hands
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2014, 02:37:21 am »
Why should anyone be surprised in the least by the festering incompetence of this White House?

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Re: ISIS Video: America’s Air Dropped Weapons Now in Our Hands
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2014, 05:16:32 am »
Is dropping ordinance the duty of the Air National Guard? If it is, somebody was incompetent.
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Re: ISIS Video: America’s Air Dropped Weapons Now in Our Hands
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2014, 06:07:53 am »
Before we go throwing the word incompetent around, you all have a challenge to do.

Put a grain of rice on the ground and then drop a feather on it as you run past it. When you can land the feather on the grain of rice 10 times out of 10, you can use the I word. Not before.

There is incompetence, but it's not the pilots. Free drops are only ever done in secured zones from low altitude and still disperse over several square miles. Controlled drops, where the pallet has either small thrusters or motorized chute shrouds require that thing that is not happening - boots on the ground. It takes a lot of training to land one of those where you need it.

The normal thing to do is free drop, pick up the loads with choppers and run them to where they are needed. In a fluid situation like Kobane that is a suicide mission. Grabbing the drops and shifting them to a central depot and trucking or bucking from there, usually under guard is possible, but again, you are looking at problems with the border with Turkey being right there.

The current method of supplying guarantees that some loads are going to drift into enemy held territory. That always happens. It always will.
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Re: ISIS Video: America’s Air Dropped Weapons Now in Our Hands
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2014, 08:12:08 am »
Before we go throwing the word incompetent around, you all have a challenge to do.

Put a grain of rice on the ground and then drop a feather on it as you run past it. When you can land the feather on the grain of rice 10 times out of 10, you can use the I word. Not before.

There is incompetence, but it's not the pilots. Free drops are only ever done in secured zones from low altitude and still disperse over several square miles. Controlled drops, where the pallet has either small thrusters or motorized chute shrouds require that thing that is not happening - boots on the ground. It takes a lot of training to land one of those where you need it.

The normal thing to do is free drop, pick up the loads with choppers and run them to where they are needed. In a fluid situation like Kobane that is a suicide mission. Grabbing the drops and shifting them to a central depot and trucking or bucking from there, usually under guard is possible, but again, you are looking at problems with the border with Turkey being right there.

The current method of supplying guarantees that some loads are going to drift into enemy held territory. That always happens. It always will.

 There should be some sort of inquiry of what went wrong.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2014, 08:15:29 am by Trigger »