Scottish Independence: Don't vote Yes just to give the 'effing Tories' a kick, says David Cameron

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11086917/Scottish-Independence-Dont-vote-Yes-just-to-give-the-effing-Tories-a-kick-says-David-Cameron.html

David Cameron has pledged to stay on as Prime Minister if Scotland becomes independent but urged voters not to break up the union just to give the "effing Tories a kick".

In a passionate address in Edinburgh, Mr Cameron said that he will remain Prime Minister in the event of a Yes vote to "make that [independence] happen"

But an emotional Mr Cameron at one point appeared close to tears as he spoke about the "heartbreak" he would feel if Scotland voted for independence.

He said: "If Scotland votes for separation that would have to be respected by the rest of the United Kingdom. And as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom I would have to make that happen.

"It would be a heartbreaking job to have to do, to break up this family of nations that has been such a success."

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EC why does Scotland want this? Are they more conservative than the UK?  What is the real reason they want to leave?

[EC]

It goes back millennia. They'd raid us, we'd raid them. Conquer them, then they'd boot us out and take Northumbria. Got down as far as York once, as I recall my dim and distant history lessons. So there is a long history of animosity.

As far as this goes though, it started about 50 years ago with the formation of the SNP (the Scottish Nationalist Party). They worked on two planks - Scotland for the Scots, and national pride. When devolution happened and Scotland and Wales got their own Parliaments, the SNP got into power pretty quickly and has been pushing for a referendum ever since. Last year, the SNP and it's allies got enough votes to set the date.

They certainly are not conservative! Every single MP in the main Houses of Parliament in London is Labour, and pretty far left, at that.

[GourmetDan]

They certainly are not conservative! Every single MP in the main Houses of Parliament in London is Labour, and pretty far left, at that.

Then they'll soon end up like all socialists do... broke...

[EC]

Then they'll soon end up like all socialists do... broke...

If they do separate, I give them 5 years. Tops.

[truth_seeker]

What types of issues are already being decided, in the devolved parliaments of Wales and Scotland?

Is it true, because of the Commonwealth, that a Pakistan citizen can immigrate freely to say Scotland, or England?

[Right_in_Virginia]

If they do separate, I give them 5 years. Tops.

I read somewhere that Britain's nukes are stored in Scotland.  Is this true?  If so, who gets custody?

[EC]

I read somewhere that Britain's nukes are stored in Scotland.  Is this true?  If so, who gets custody?

Some of the nukes are stored there, certainly, since our main Trident base is in Scotland. If Scotland goes independent, we'll have the choice - move the base or lease it. Lease is far more likely, since Scotland is going to be gasping for cash.

[EC]

What types of issues are already being decided, in the devolved parliaments of Wales and Scotland?

Is it true, because of the Commonwealth, that a Pakistan citizen can immigrate freely to say Scotland, or England?

The devolved parliaments set education policy, tax rates, business incentives - think of them as the equivalent of your statehouses.

Any Commonwealth citizen has the right of entry, for a fixed period (I think it is 5 years maximum, provided they have a job, a sponsor and have not previously been deported). That doesn't grant citizenship. Any criminal action results in deportation on completion of sentence, no appeal permitted.

[truth_seeker]

Any Commonwealth citizen has the right of entry, for a fixed period (I think it is 5 years maximum, provided they have a job, a sponsor and have not previously been deported). That doesn't grant citizenship. Any criminal action results in deportation on completion of sentence, no appeal permitted.

Besides immigrants from within the Commonwealth, don't citizens from other EU countries pretty much get free entry?

The original purpose (1952) of the "common market" was to reduce/eliminate tariffs, borders etc. to generate greater commerce. Free movement of people/labor with the union was aimed at that, too.

So do people from throughout the union move freely into and out of the UK?

[EC]

Besides immigrants from within the Commonwealth, don't citizens from other EU countries pretty much get free entry?

The original purpose (1952) of the "common market" was to reduce/eliminate tariffs, borders etc. to generate greater commerce. Free movement of people/labor with the union was aimed at that, too.

So do people from throughout the union move freely into and out of the UK?

Yep. Any member of any EU state can live and work in any other member state with no limitations other than not having the right to vote in national elections.

[alicewonders]

Yep. Any member of any EU state can live and work in any other member state with no limitations other than not having the right to vote in national elections.

How do you find that to be working?  Concerning your unemployment rate.  I mean, since we have a high unemployment rate - I personally don't like the idea of someone coming from Canada or Mexico - basically at the invitation of our government, to take jobs when so many Americans are looking for work.  Is that an issue in Europe? 

[EC]

How do you find that to be working?  Concerning your unemployment rate.  I mean, since we have a high unemployment rate - I personally don't like the idea of someone coming from Canada or Mexico - basically at the invitation of our government, to take jobs when so many Americans are looking for work.  Is that an issue in Europe?

It varies by country. The UK and Germany are preferred destinations, since we do actually have jobs available that the locals can't or won't do. Our unemployment here in the UK is around 3 million people of working age unemployed, of which 1 million plus are rated as totally unemployable. There are another 2 million under employed.

In our area, it's mainly Poles and Lithuanians have come across, and it's caused a lot of anger and resentment among the locals. Ours is a very blue collar area, lots of self employed builders, electricians and plumbers, as well as light engineering. They are competing with the incomers, who everyone prefers to hire. They show up on time, do the job quickly and neatly to a high quality, and don't charge you a fortune while making it seem like they are doing you a favor.

The Romanians tend more towards France, Italy and Spain, for the agricultural and domestic work.

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Romanians .... probably drawn too by common linguistic roots.