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 Is Mitt Romney really a loser for life?
By: Roger Simon
September 3, 2014 05:13 AM EDT

Unlikely as it might seem, Mitt Romney actually put it best.

“I have looked at what happens to anybody in this country who loses as the nominee of their party,” he says. “They become a loser for life.”

Here he makes a gesture with his right hand, forming his thumb and index finger into an “L” and holding it up to his forehead as if it were a branding iron.

“We just brutalize whoever loses,” Romney says. “I know that. I know that.”

This is from the documentary “Mitt,” which was released this year and covers Romney’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns.

Romney was aware that if he ran for the nomination in 2008 and failed to get it, this would not be fatal. Numerous failed nominees have gone on to get the nomination in future contests.

But if one gets the nomination and then fails to win the presidency, that is a different story.

Republican Thomas Dewey did it, losing in both 1944 and 1948. Democrat Adlai Stevenson did it, losing in both 1952 and 1956. And Richard Nixon did it, losing the presidency in 1960, but winning it in 1968.

But this is ancient history in political terms. In modern times, if you get your party’s nomination and then lose the general election, nobody wants to hear from you again.

“Mike Dukakis is mowing lawns,” Romney says.

But Romney enters the fray anyway, losing the nomination in 2008, winning the nomination in 2012, but losing the general election.

So Romney should be, by his own analysis, a “loser for life.”

But odd things are happening. Republican candidates have been asking him to stump for them in the November elections, and he has been glad to oblige.

A CNN/ORC poll released in late July asked people whom they would vote for if the 2012 election were held again. Romney won by 9 percentage points, 53 percent to 44 percent. (In the actual election, Romney lost by 3.9 percentage points.)

One can dismiss this as typical buyer’s remorse: Presidents never quite live up to expectations, and challengers always look better in retrospect. But one senior Republican strategist told me dryly: “I don’t remember anyone urging John Kerry to run for president again after he lost.”

Is anybody really urging Romney to run again, however?

Iowans seem to like the idea. A recent Suffolk University poll of Iowa caucus-goers showed Romney topping the field with 35 percent and Mike Huckabee an almost invisible second with just 9 percent.

“I’d love to run for president; I loved running for president,” Romney told radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt last week. “Had I believed I would actually be best positioned to beat Hillary Clinton, then I would be running.”

Romney says, however, that some player to be named later could be a better candidate. “I actually believe that someone new that is not defined yet, someone who perhaps is from the next generation, will be able to catch fire, potentially build a movement and be able to beat Hillary Clinton,” Romney said.

Republicans are already looking past their biggest weakness — the current Republican field — to what they believe will be their biggest strength: Hillary Clinton as the standard-bearer for Obama’s third term.

“I think Hillary is going to own the Obama record,” Stuart Stevens, who was Romney’s chief strategist in 2012, told me. “In many ways it looks like 2016 will be a referendum on Obama in the same way 2008 was a referendum on [George W.] Bush.”

Which is the race Republicans would like: to bury Hillary’s popularity under Obama’s unpopularity. But Hillary could upset that strategy by distancing herself from Obama, couldn’t she?

Stevens doesn’t think so. “When Hillary says something even mildly critical of the Obama administration, the Democratic base erupts with hostility,” Stevens said.

Hillary Clinton is no dope, however. She will find a way to distance herself from Obama where she can. But this plays right into the Romney game plan, said one former top Romney aide.

“Hillary Clinton doesn’t want to be Barack Obama? Fine,” said the aide. “The person who is most not Barack Obama is Mitt Romney. If he decided to run, he’d have a good chance.”

Washington Post senior correspondent Dan Balz, author of “Collision 2012: The Future of Election Politics in a Divided America,” just released in paperback, said Romney was not a particularly good campaigner in 2012 but “he had some things to say in the campaign that look smarter in retrospect than they did at the time.”

Balz says that Romney’s campaign statements about Russia being “a geopolitical foe” today looks “more astute than he was given credit for.”

But Balz is not predicting that Romney will run in 2016. He said Romney seems “genuinely resistant” to running.

So what could cause Romney to change his mind?

“It could only happen if the field looks weak or if it looks like no one from the establishment wing is getting any traction,” Balz said. “One reason there is interest in Romney today is that the 2016 field looks so unsettled.”

Romney laid out his own scenario for running. “Let’s say all the guys that were running all came together and said, ‘Hey, we’ve decided we can’t do it. You must do it,’” Romney said in the interview with Hewitt. “That’s the one out of a million we’re thinking about.”

One out of a million might seem like very long odds to you and me. But what’s a million to Mitt Romney?
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Re: Politico..Is Mitt Romney really a loser for life?....By: Roger Simon
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2014, 03:04:13 pm »
Romney would be the one for me if it's between him and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

Rand Paul is Obama in foreign policy. And Ted Cruz needs a whole lot more seasoning.
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Re: Politico..Is Mitt Romney really a loser for life?....By: Roger Simon
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2014, 07:32:27 pm »
Romney would be the one for me if it's between him and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

Rand Paul is Obama in foreign policy. And Ted Cruz needs a whole lot more seasoning.


I (almost) completely agree.  I don't think Rand Paul is quite as bad as Obama foreign-policy-wise, but I do agree that his views on foreign policy are very worrisome, especially now.

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Re: Politico..Is Mitt Romney really a loser for life?....By: Roger Simon
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2014, 08:38:23 pm »
Reagan ran in 1968, 1976 and finally won in 1980.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_1968

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_1976

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_1980

Third timer Reagan was the only post WWII Potus to leave office with his party able to win the "3rd term" with GHW Bush.

-Truman couldn't set the stage
-Eisenhower/Nixon  couldn't set the stage
-Kennedy/Johnson couldn't set the stage
-Nixon/Ford couldn't set the stage
-Carter couldn't set the stage
-Clinton/Gore couldn't set the stage although Gore won the popular vote
-Bush II/Cheney couldn't set the stage

2016 is a wonderful opportunity for the GOP to win the presidency. To do so would follow the normal "order" based on the post WWII results above.






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Re: Politico..Is Mitt Romney really a loser for life?....By: Roger Simon
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2014, 09:11:42 pm »
“I’d love to run for president; I loved running for president,” Romney told radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt last week. “Had I believed I would actually be best positioned to beat Hillary Clinton, then I would be running.”

Romney says, however, that some player to be named later could be a better candidate. “I actually believe that someone new that is not defined yet, someone who perhaps is from the next generation, will be able to catch fire, potentially build a movement and be able to beat Hillary Clinton,” Romney said.


Absolutely right.  Hillary is going to appeal to most of the constituency groups that OPapaDoc appealed to, and she is going to bring in more women.  Meanwhile, Romney will continue to be the Wall Street one percenter and washed-up former governor of Massachusetts who could not even carry the state he governed.

Ironically, this is the same man who can have the nomination for the asking.

Hillary will not be saddled with OPapaDoc's record.  She will run on the message "Let's return to the policies of the Clinton era when we didn't have all of these wars and there was a balanced budget and a booming economy.  And, by the way, you'll be a part of history by electing the first woman POTUS."

Romney can't beat her.  The only person with the ability to beat Hitlery will be someone who can bring in new constituencies to the party.  There are only two constituencies out there that are "gettable": Millennials and Hispanics.  Of the two, Millennials are the more pliable (being younger).  One of the biggest problems the GOP has with the Hispanic market is that Hispanics are family-oriented.  If their parents voted Democrat, the subsequent generation will vote Democrat.  In marketing we call this cross-generational brand loyalty.  White Millennials are the opposite,  The fact that their parents used a brand means they are likely NOT to adopt it.

So what Republican presidential contender is popular with Millennials?  Rand Paul.  What Republican might be able to make headway with Hispanics?  Jeb Bush.  Those are the only two candidates in the stable capable ob beating HC in a general election IMHO.
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Re: Politico..Is Mitt Romney really a loser for life?....By: Roger Simon
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2014, 11:20:56 pm »
I was always pro-Romney as much as I was anti-0bama. Still am. And I like what he's saying now. He'd like to run, but he won't unless there isn't a viable candidate in the end. And he can afford to wait and see. I'd like to think there's a good choice out there somewhere.
But there isn't really the "savior" candidate yet. I like the competent governors, esp. Walker & Jindal. But both of those are short on charisma. Which was also Romney's problem. The charisma candidates like Cruz & Paul are short on credentials. The perennials like Huckabee & Santorum aren't going to go very far this time either.
I sure don't want another President who was chosen for looks, symbolism, quota fulfillment, or whatever else got us this mess. And I'd be really sick if the GOP decided to compete on those same criteria.

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Re: Politico..Is Mitt Romney really a loser for life?....By: Roger Simon
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2014, 02:48:55 am »
Question:
[[  Is Mitt Romney really a loser for life? ]]

Better ask Harold Stassen about that one...

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Re: Politico..Is Mitt Romney really a loser for life?....By: Roger Simon
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2014, 02:52:10 am »
mass wrote above:
[[ Romney can't beat her.  The only person with the ability to beat Hitlery will be someone who can bring in new constituencies to the party. ]]

The only way Hillary is going to be beaten is by another woman, who can totally neutralize "the first woman president" meme.

Can you name any Republican women who can toss thunderbolts around?

(I can think of at least one...)