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Hmm. Both of the Americans to be killed are journalists, and the reports of their deaths are filed by journalists.

Of all the people to be targeted for these things, why were both of them journalists—and obscure ones at that—unless this is all one big media hoax?

Something is rotten in Denmark.
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Of all the people to be targeted for these things, why were both of them journalists—and obscure ones at that—unless this is all one big media hoax?

They're easy to catch?


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Hmm. Both of the Americans to be killed are journalists, and the reports of their deaths are filed by journalists.

Of all the people to be targeted for these things, why were both of them journalists—and obscure ones at that—unless this is all one big media hoax?

Something is rotten in Denmark.

Targets of opportunity. They don't usually have security. In regards to the photojournalist beheaded the other week, he was out without a crew, just him, so a snatch would be rather easy. The media may also have the arrogance they can walk around in the open without security.

Harder to snatch a military worker or politician who would be around armed security or other military personnel.

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Re: Islamic State issues video of beheading of U.S. hostage
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2014, 10:31:59 pm »
We all have asked ourselves, after the last beheading, how could a person calmly kneel there - read a long anti-American statement and then have your head cut off when you know what's coming?  Any sane person would be fighting till the last breathe. If you could you would get up and run, even though you would be shot - which would be much preferable over the alternative. The question has inspired conspiracy Nuts to come up with all kind of strange angles, with the most bizarre I heard, that it was a CIA video with special effects to make it look real - all to get us into a war to feed the evil "military industrial complex".     

The answer could be quite simple, and I heard this on the radio from a former CIA operative.    The event has been carried out dozens of times, with the execution cut short and you returned to your cell. Each time you are told to read the statement, and then taken back, with no execution. After a dozen or more times of you doing this, and your statement sounding less and less forced, and you expecting this day would end back in your cell, you just kneel there.
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Re: Islamic State issues video of beheading of U.S. hostage
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2014, 10:44:51 pm »
We all have asked ourselves, after the last beheading, how could a person calmly kneel there - read a long anti-American statement and then have your head cut off when you know what's coming?  Any sane person would be fighting till the last breathe. If you could you would get up and run, even though you would be shot - which would be much preferable over the alternative. The question has inspired conspiracy Nuts to come up with all kind of strange angles, with the most bizarre I heard, that it was a CIA video with special effects to make it look real - all to get us into a war to feed the evil "military industrial complex".     

The answer could be quite simple, and I heard this on the radio from a former CIA operative.    The event has been carried out dozens of times, with the execution cut short and you returned to your cell. Each time you are told to read the statement, and then taken back, with no execution. After a dozen or more times of you doing this, and your statement sounding less and less forced, and you expecting this day would end back in your cell, you just kneel there.

It is also important to look at the history of Islamists and who they look at as role models. One of their main influences is Hassan-i Sabbah who created what was called the Nizaris or Hashishin (users of Hashish). They were basically early jihadis. Marco Polo wrote about their use of drugs both for themselves and their victims. If they are some of the role models of these groups, it would make sense they could use the idea of drugging their victims into complacency.  I would not be surprised if large amounts of opium or something like that were given to the victims.

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Hmm. Both of the Americans to be killed are journalists, and the reports of their deaths are filed by journalists.

Of all the people to be targeted for these things, why were both of them journalists—and obscure ones at that—unless this is all one big media hoax?

Something is rotten in Denmark.

Please lets not go down that road here. Not on this site. The videos were real, the beheadings very real. And they are not just holding Journalist.  British citizen David Haines  who's name was mentioned at the end of the video they said would be next. je is a contract worker, not a journalist.
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Please lets not go down that road here. Not on this site. The videos were real, the beheadings very real. And they are not just holding Journalist.  British citizen David Haines  who's name was mentioned at the end of the video they said would be next. je is a contract worker, not a journalist.

I just read a bunch of chairborne rangers trying to prove it was all fake and shot in front of a blue screen. I lost some brain cells trying to follow their 'proof'.

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I just read a bunch of chairborne rangers trying to prove it was all fake and shot in front of a blue screen. I lost some brain cells trying to follow their 'proof'.

Same BS I heard when I tuned into leftist radio on the drive into work after the first beheading. Crazy is Crazy, weather they are wingnuts from the Left, or Conspiracy Nuts on late night radio.
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Hmm. Both of the Americans to be killed are journalists, and the reports of their deaths are filed by journalists.

Of all the people to be targeted for these things, why were both of them journalists—and obscure ones at that—unless this is all one big media hoax?

Something is rotten in Denmark.

Are Adam Lanza's friend and James Foley's sister the same crisis actor?



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I just read a bunch of chairborne rangers trying to prove it was all fake and shot in front of a blue screen. I lost some brain cells trying to follow their 'proof'.
The blue screen I believe. Any terrorist organization worth its weight makes as much effort as possible to disguise its location. But that doesn't necessarily prove it was all “fake.”

It just seems that something doesn't quite seem right with journalists being the only targets.
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One should probably expect nothing that more closely resembles civilized behavior from these savages. But what I find especially troubling is this: President Obama seems concerned about this latest barbarity--well, somewhat concerned, anyway--but without any discernible moral outrage. You know: The sort of thing that would necessarily prompt military action so severe as to utterly crush every last remnant of ISIS (or ISIL, as the president prefers to call it). Instead, we have daily bombings that kill some of the cockroaches, while leaving many others to carry on their dirty work.

Our efforts to defeat ISIS--not merely "roll it back"--should be every bit as vigorous and unrestrained as our efforts to defeat the Nazis were, about three-quarters of a century ago.

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pjohns wrote above:
[[ Our efforts to defeat ISIS--not merely "roll it back"--should be every bit as vigorous and unrestrained as our efforts to defeat the Nazis were, about three-quarters of a century ago...]]

Sorry.

Not going to happen. (Not even with a Republican president.)

Until... something else happens first.

What might that be ??

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The blue screen I believe. Any terrorist organization worth its weight makes as much effort as possible to disguise its location. But that doesn't necessarily prove it was all “fake.”

It just seems that something doesn't quite seem right with journalists being the only targets.

That they would do it does make sense, but the arguments for 'proof' that they did it were absolutely asinine. Plus, it doesn't have the usual telltale signs of blue screen/green screen work unless you are using an ILM level operation.

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pjohns wrote above:
[[ Our efforts to defeat ISIS--not merely "roll it back"--should be every bit as vigorous and unrestrained as our efforts to defeat the Nazis were, about three-quarters of a century ago...]]

Sorry.

Not going to happen. (Not even with a Republican president.)

Until... something else happens first.

Sadly, you are probably correct.

But that does not make it a good thing...

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What do they give those men before they behead them? Sedatives? No way I am kneeling that quietly if my head was going to be cut off. Or do the isis/obiepals make them do this every day to get them used to it?


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What do they give those men before they behead them? Sedatives?

When James Foley was beheaded a couple of weeks ago, I heard that ISIS had staged several mock executions prior to the real one; so Mr. Foley may have just assumed that this, too, was fake.

That, however, would not explain why Steven Sotloff might have thought as much, since he had recently attended (unwillingly) James Foley's gruesome execution.