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Offline mystery-ak

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« on: August 22, 2014, 02:40:28 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2014, 02:54:14 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2014, 03:01:22 PM »
Is it being a cockeyed optimist to hope that eventually the LIV's will catch on to what a horrific person their Messiah really is??   **nononono*
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2014, 03:19:18 PM »
Isn't "low information" just another way of calling somebody "stupid?"

Yet isn't it also stupid, to call somebody stupid when you can gain something you want, if you could convert them?

We witnessed the decades long loss of market share, by big US automakers, who dismissed small economical car buyers.

"We don't need to make and sell those stinkin little cars. We can make plenty of profit on our big cars. Who needs those stupid customers, anyway?"

The once great conservative movement of Reagan, is somewhat like the once great domestic car makers, in some ways.

--rested on laurels
--took customers for granted
--wrote off large segments of population
--failed to adapt
--failed to innovate
--developed ineffective bureaucracy
--followed instead of leading




 
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2014, 03:26:28 PM »
Isn't "low information" just another way of calling somebody "stupid?"

Yet isn't it also stupid, to call somebody stupid when you can gain something you want, if you could convert them?

We witnessed the decades long loss of market share, by big US automakers, who dismissed small economical car buyers.

"We don't need to make and sell those stinkin little cars. We can make plenty of profit on our big cars. Who needs those stupid customers, anyway?"

The once great conservative movement of Reagan, is somewhat like the once great domestic car makers, in some ways.

--rested on laurels
--took customers for granted
--wrote off large segments of population
--failed to adapt
--failed to innovate
--developed ineffective bureaucracy
--followed instead of leading

First, I would rather the word "ignorant", than "stupid".  A more appropriate term, imo.

Secondly, the Conservative movement of Reagan...their DNA assumed that everybody had the same education from the past. 

Hail to the red, white and blue.  Lucky Strikes, Apple Pie, Chevrolet and baseball.

Little did we really know how our children were being taught and what they were being taught.   We were too busy striving for better careers, more salary, bigger houses and 2nd cars.

Now when we need to shake our youth into reality, they look at us as if we're kooks and aliens.
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2014, 03:31:45 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2014, 03:38:01 PM »
First, I would rather the word "ignorant", than "stupid".  A more appropriate term, imo.

Secondly, the Conservative movement of Reagan...their DNA assumed that everybody had the same education from the past. 

Hail to the red, white and blue.  Lucky Strikes, Apple Pie, Chevrolet and baseball.

Little did we really know how our children were being taught and what they were being taught.   We were too busy striving for better careers, more salary, bigger houses and 2nd cars.

Now when we need to shake our youth into reality, they look at us as if we're kooks and aliens.

Kind of sad on multiple levels.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2014, 04:07:24 PM »
Isn't "low information" just another way of calling somebody "stupid?"

Yet isn't it also stupid, to call somebody stupid when you can gain something you want, if you could convert them?

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Not necessarily.  It's all in the follow-through.  Much of advertising is built around the premise of, to be blunt, telling people they're stupid and then telling them that your product will make them smart.  From patent medicine to perfume, that's the basic advertising model.

The problem in this case is not necessarily calling the LIV "LIV" but in failing to follow through and show how voting republican will cure that condition.

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2014, 05:48:55 PM »
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The problem in this case is not necessarily calling the LIV "LIV" but in failing to follow through and show how voting republican will cure that condition.

Bingo!
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2014, 06:03:44 PM »
Not necessarily.  It's all in the follow-through.  Much of advertising is built around the premise of, to be blunt, telling people they're stupid and then telling them that your product will make them smart.  From patent medicine to perfume, that's the basic advertising model.

The problem in this case is not necessarily calling the LIV "LIV" but in failing to follow through and show how voting republican will cure that condition.
I suppose my point is that they won't be much interested in listening, after the obvious putdown.

FYI that and many more common sense notions, may be found in Dale Carnegie's 1936 book, "How to Win Friends and Influence People." A summary follows:

http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html

Part One

Fundamental Techniques in Handling People

1.Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
2.Give honest
and sincere appreciation.
3.Arouse in the other person an eager want.
 

Part Two

Six ways to make people like you

1.Become genuinely interested in other people.
2.Smile.
3.Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
4.Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
5.Talk in terms of the other person's interests.
6.Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely.
 

Part Three

Win people to your way of thinking

1.The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.
2.Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."
3.If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
4.Begin in a friendly way.
5.Get the other person saying "yes, yes" immediately.
6.Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.
7.Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.
8.Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
9.Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.
10.Appeal to the nobler motives.
11.Dramatize your ideas.
12.Throw down a challenge.
 

Part Four

Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing Resentment

A leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:

1.Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
2.Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.
3.Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
4.Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
5.Let the other person save face.
6.Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."
7.Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
8.Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
9.Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest.

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Upon reading this through, it immediately struck me how much these ideas are the opposite from the generally grumpy, negative postings on conservative forums. No wonder younger people tend to dismiss conservatism.

Reagan had the knack of making the story a good story. People were drawn to listen to him, and were confident he was leading them well.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2014, 06:47:38 PM »
LOL!   Way to go, TS!    :beer:

Haven't seen that in eons.   But it's my bible.

The key is sincerity.   And for Conservatives in the vein of Ronald Reagan...it should be simple.   Hope they utilize it.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2014, 07:20:34 PM »
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Upon reading this through, it immediately struck me how much these ideas are the opposite from the generally grumpy, negative postings on conservative forums. No wonder younger people tend to dismiss conservatism.

Reagan had the knack of making the story a good story. People were drawn to listen to him, and were confident he was leading them well.

I dunno, t_s.................... I would describe you as kinda 'grumpy' most of the time.

Maybe you could learn a thing or two from Dale and the Gipper yourself.   :patriot:
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2014, 07:25:57 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2014, 07:32:27 PM »
Is it being a cockeyed optimist to hope that eventually the LIV's will catch on to what a horrific person their Messiah really is??   **nononono*

No, because it's already starting to happen.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2014, 07:33:20 PM »
Isn't "low information" just another way of calling somebody "stupid?"


Ignorance is not the same as stupidity. You could be absolutely brilliant and at the same time be extremely ignorant about some things.
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2014, 08:04:57 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2014, 08:07:13 PM »


What's that about a picture being worth a thousand words.  So can a cartoon!
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2014, 08:09:18 PM »
Ignorance is not the same as stupidity. You could be absolutely brilliant and at the same time be extremely ignorant about some things.

As witness Obuttocks himself; while he's certainly not brilliant, he does possess a certain book learning intelligence but, as is abysmally clear, is also extremely ignorant about almost everything that really matters.

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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2014, 08:14:55 PM »
Ignorance is not the same as stupidity. You could be absolutely brilliant and at the same time be extremely ignorant about some things.

I like the term "uninformed." That's fixable. Stupid is not
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2014, 05:27:22 AM »
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2014, 05:28:37 AM »
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"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
George Washington

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
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