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« on: August 20, 2014, 01:58:49 PM »
http://weaselzippers.us/197109-report-key-ferguson-witness-dorian-johnson-changes-story-admits-brown-attacked-officer-wilson-and-tried-to-take-his-gun/



If true this would obviously be a game-changer when it comes to charging Officer Wilson.

Via local radio station 100.7:

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Remember, you saw it and heard it here first. We have heard (from a VERY connected national media source) that Ferguson officer Darren Wilson will be cleared in the shooting of Michael Brown. The key: Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. OFFICER WILSON WILL NOT BE CHARGED! This is scary. When this news is made official, we all have reason to be concerned about the reaction.

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2014, 01:59:34 PM »
Trust but verify.....take it for what it's worth.....no confirmation on this..

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2014, 02:13:24 PM »
Trust but verify.....take it for what it's worth.....no confirmation on this..

I have avoided these threads because emotions seem to be high, and there really isn't anything any of us know. My only question is why 6 shots, including 2 to the head? I know you can hit someone in the head and have it glance off, not be a kill shot, but it just seems curious to me. I know the cop was injured, and that could have clouded his judgment but, 6 hits seems like a lot to me.

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 02:19:35 PM »
I have avoided these threads because emotions seem to be high, and there really isn't anything any of us know. My only question is why 6 shots, including 2 to the head? I know you can hit someone in the head and have it glance off, not be a kill shot, but it just seems curious to me. I know the cop was injured, and that could have clouded his judgment but, 6 hits seems like a lot to me.

From what I have read..it took 6 shots to stop the gentle giant charging...with the final shot to the head

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2014, 02:23:02 PM »
I have avoided these threads because emotions seem to be high, and there really isn't anything any of us know. My only question is why 6 shots, including 2 to the head? I know you can hit someone in the head and have it glance off, not be a kill shot, but it just seems curious to me. I know the cop was injured, and that could have clouded his judgment but, 6 hits seems like a lot to me.

I think the officer's vision was also clouded due to his injury.  IIRC, four shots were non-life threatening and did not slow Brown's advance toward Wilson.  The shots to the head obviously stopped him, and one of those was believed by Baden to have been the last shot.  Thankfully, I've never been in this situation before, but I don't imagine a police officer who has been attacked already and is being rushed by a large man will take a shot, wait a few seconds to see if it worked, take another, wait a few seconds, etc.  I would imagine that when a person feels they're in danger of great bodily harm they'd tend to err on the side of taking too many shots rather than not enough.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2014, 02:27:29 PM »
I have avoided these threads because emotions seem to be high, and there really isn't anything any of us know. My only question is why 6 shots, including 2 to the head? I know you can hit someone in the head and have it glance off, not be a kill shot, but it just seems curious to me. I know the cop was injured, and that could have clouded his judgment but, 6 hits seems like a lot to me.

Cops are horrible shots, even at close range.

http://cnnradio.cnn.com/2012/08/30/when-police-shoot/

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/oops-sorry-nypd-cops-shoot-2-innocent-bystanders-instead-of-perp_092013

http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/news/2012/04/26/nypd-cops-fire-84-rounds-at-murder-suspect.aspx
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2014, 02:38:28 PM »
If true this would obviously be a game-changer when it comes to charging Officer Wilson.

I really doubt this will change anything.

The facts have never been a consideration during this whole travesty.

Our masters have an agenda and facts will not change it...

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2014, 02:48:50 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2014, 02:51:46 PM »

On the positive side, at least the guy finally told the truth...


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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2014, 03:27:21 PM »
I have avoided these threads because emotions seem to be high, and there really isn't anything any of us know. My only question is why 6 shots, including 2 to the head? I know you can hit someone in the head and have it glance off, not be a kill shot, but it just seems curious to me. I know the cop was injured, and that could have clouded his judgment but, 6 hits seems like a lot to me.

He was severely injured, and if Brown was indeed charging at him, I think that explains it pretty well.
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2014, 04:12:44 PM »
This clown also said Wilson tried to pull Brown into the car.  I'm a big guy but can't imagine trying to pull a 6' 3", 300 lb. teenager through a car window.  It just doesn't make sense.  In fact, nothing he has said makes sense.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2014, 04:34:41 PM »
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2014, 05:11:02 PM »
This cop needs to be fired:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/385870/i-have-feeling-officer-about-become-very-famous-rich-lowry

Perhaps so.  I didn't watch the video but if some of the accompanying text comes from the video I'd say an investigation is probably warranted.

I don't see the relationship between this video and the subject of this thread, however.  The quoted post looks like trolling to me.
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2014, 05:18:54 PM »
I have avoided these threads because emotions seem to be high, and there really isn't anything any of us know. My only question is why 6 shots, including 2 to the head? I know you can hit someone in the head and have it glance off, not be a kill shot, but it just seems curious to me. I know the cop was injured, and that could have clouded his judgment but, 6 hits seems like a lot to me.

I'm not sure where I stand with this particular incident, but I can tell you first hand that when you're pumped up with adrenaline and fight or flight kicks in it can be easy to cross the line into overkill. If this cop truly felt his life was in danger PLUS already being injured I can easily see him putting 6 rounds into his attacker; I probably would have done the same thing. When you get to the point where your brain is screaming "KILL THIS MOTHERbleepER BEFORE HE KILLS YOU!" you're not exactly trying to conserve ammunition.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2014, 05:25:10 PM »
Perhaps so.  I didn't watch the video but if some of the accompanying text comes from the video I'd say an investigation is probably warranted.

I don't see the relationship between this video and the subject of this thread, however.  The quoted post looks like trolling to me.

The cop has been removed from duty according to the Missouri Highway Patrol.

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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2014, 05:39:35 PM »
The cop has been removed from duty according to the Missouri Highway Patrol.

Sounds right, based on the description of the video.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2014, 09:29:32 PM »
I have avoided these threads because emotions seem to be high, and there really isn't anything any of us know. My only question is why 6 shots, including 2 to the head? I know you can hit someone in the head and have it glance off, not be a kill shot, but it just seems curious to me. I know the cop was injured, and that could have clouded his judgment but, 6 hits seems like a lot to me.

The adrenalin kicks in and the cop in question keeps firing, usually until his/her clip is empty.  That's the "hail of bullets" of common lore.  It happens in NYC, not all the time, but frequently when guns are drawn and shots are fired.  Many of those situations turn into lawsuits against the city and the cops involved.

Part of the problem may simply be that cops aren't taught/trained how to control themselves when the adrenalin kicks in.  Simply getting good marks at the firing range does not prepare a cop in the least to react properly in a situation where weapons are drawn.

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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2014, 09:37:51 PM »
The adrenalin kicks in and the cop in question keeps firing, usually until his/her clip is empty.  That's the "hail of bullets" of common lore.  It happens in NYC, not all the time, but frequently when guns are drawn and shots are fired.  Many of those situations turn into lawsuits against the city and the cops involved.

Part of the problem may simply be that cops aren't taught/trained how to control themselves when the adrenalin kicks in.  Simply getting good marks at the firing range does not prepare a cop in the least to react properly in a situation where weapons are drawn.

If a 300 lb. black yute were to punch me in the eye and then bum rush me in a charge....screw trying to cage the adrenalin.  That guy is DEAD!
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2014, 09:58:51 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2014, 10:08:43 PM »
I have avoided these threads because emotions seem to be high, and there really isn't anything any of us know. My only question is why 6 shots, including 2 to the head? I know you can hit someone in the head and have it glance off, not be a kill shot, but it just seems curious to me. I know the cop was injured, and that could have clouded his judgment but, 6 hits seems like a lot to me.

Consider the officer's situation:
- punched and dazed
- broken bone near his eye, probably blurry vision if he could still see out of that one
- first two or three shots may have missed or hit Brown in arm (remember, officer's vision has been damaged, but he still sees a large form coming at him)
- Brown's size (nearly 300lbs, probably with considerable fat) probably enabled him to absorb non-fatal shots and still "keep coming"
- although toxological reports are not yet released, could Brown have had some kind of drug in him (such as PCP) which might have "kept him going" until the head shots?

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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2014, 01:15:36 AM »
I have avoided these threads because emotions seem to be high, and there really isn't anything any of us know. My only question is why 6 shots, including 2 to the head? I know you can hit someone in the head and have it glance off, not be a kill shot, but it just seems curious to me. I know the cop was injured, and that could have clouded his judgment but, 6 hits seems like a lot to me.

If you hit me so hard that you fracture my eye socket, and I have a gun, I will continue to pull the trigger long after I've emptied the magazine into you.

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2014, 02:01:49 AM »
If you hit me so hard that you fracture my eye socket, and I have a gun, I will continue to pull the trigger long after I've emptied the magazine into you.

That's a good point.  Plus, I read somewhere that now it looks like they may have some DNA evidence on the gun itself.  Could be Brown's which means that he was trying to take the gun away from the cop - and you'd better believe he would be shooting to kill - or be killed. 

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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2014, 12:15:29 PM »
Aside: he may indeed have been "persuaded" to change his tune, due to what may be an outstanding warrant against him...

That's the problem w/ liars.

You never know when they are lying, just that they will when they believe it is in their 'best interest'.


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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2014, 02:25:30 PM »
If you hit me so hard that you fracture my eye socket, and I have a gun, I will continue to pull the trigger long after I've emptied the magazine into you.

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