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Yet Again Republicans Fight Grassroot Conservatives Harder Than They Fight The Democrats

Posted on August 7, 2014 by Steve Deace — 10 Comments 
 

We have become a nation of two Americas, with two dramatically different value systems attempting to fly the same flag simultaneously. Similarly, there are now also two Republican Parties, each claiming the same branding but with two dramatically different visions.

For the Republican Party establishment, the focus remains on the immediate: the next news cycle. The next election is their idea of long-term thinking. For those of us out here in the grassroots, we don’t have that luxury, because those of us living outside the beltway bubble see our very way of life is at stake. We’re fighting for cultural survival, and they’re fighting for… well, actually they’re fighting us and not them.

Never was this divide more apparent than last week.

Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Times in a story, that has about 3,000 more comments (almost all of them negative) than actual words, that pursuing impeachment against the most lawless president in history was “a scam started by Democrats.”





Interesting, I guess all the Tea Party leaders I’ve had on my nationally-syndicated radio show calling for President Barack Obama’s impeachment the past 16 months were tools of “a scam started by Democrats,” and they didn’t even know it.

I guess former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is “a scam started by Democrats” and she didn’t know it, either.

I guess the majority of Republicans who want to see Obama impeached for his now-daily constitutional crises are also “a scam started by Democrats.”

I guess respected conservative thinker Andrew McCarthy, author of the new book “Faithless Execution: Building the Political Case for Obama’s Impeachment” is a “scam started by Democrats.”

My, what a mighty “big tent” we have.

Listen, I live in the real world. I understand impeachment isn’t happening at the moment because while Obama grows more unpopular by the nano-second, the country as a whole hasn’t reached that sort of critical mass yet.

So imagine if the speaker had said something like this instead:

“I understand the frustrations of our constituents. No one is more aware of this president’s continued lawlessness than I am. But impeachment is a drastic measure, done only twice in American history. It’s the political equivalent to capital punishment, and in order to pull it off there needs to be a clear sign this is something a majority of the American people want. Right now, we’re just not there. This November we’ll have an election, and the American people have a chance to send a resounding message they want a check and balance on this president’s lawlessness. If they send that message, and the president ignores the American people and persists down the lawless road he’s currently on, then it may be time for the American people to ask the people’s House to do something drastic. But something that drastic should come from us responding to the wishes of the American people.”

I think most of us in the grassroots would’ve been satisfied, or least understanding, of words to that effect. First you have to win the debate, and then you win the vote. If you want to impeach Obama you have to take that case to the American people to create that critical mass, lest you be guilty of a lesser type of constitutional/political overreach we’re accusing Obama of.

But that’s not what the speaker said.

Instead, a man that through a series of continuing resolutions has funded all of Obama’s anti-constitutional schemes the past three years, and last week was trying to give a president he’s suing for lawlessness even more of our money, dismissed and patronized the legitimate fears of his own base as a “scam.”

The message the speaker just sent to the grassroots of the Republican Party is that race-baiting your own base to win a senate primary in Mississippi is good politics, but standing up to a president who is singlehandedly doing more to dismantle American exceptionalism than any political figure in our history is bad politics. Yet again the GOP establishment fights its own base with more ruthlessness than it opposes Obama.

And these people wonder why the Republican Party is so divided.

They tell us we can’t defund any of Obama’s schemes because that will cause a showdown that may cost us an election. We can’t impeach Obama, either, because that would cost us the election as well. And then we won’t be able to fight next year, because that may cost us the 2016 election. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Meanwhile, the country burns as Obama gets to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, to whomever he wants – with our money. Culprits always need collaborators, and Boehner and the rest of his feckless ilk are Obama’s.

As a young libertarian named Rocco sarcastically put it on my Facebook wall, “[Republican leaders] have decided to allow the country to suffer for the purposes of winning elections, and my generation is becoming a lost generation. I’m glad a bunch of D.C. consultants decided that it was a good strategy to sacrifice the nation to win elections, though.”

Former California GOP Chairman Tom Del Beccaro warned my audience last week not to assume this is going to be a big Republican year, because “Republicans are just running out the clock” and not showing any real leadership on the issues. Del Beccaro said Republicans aren’t offering the American people anything as a contrast to what they don’t like about Obama, and he fears that could thwart major GOP gains as a result. Increasingly, my audience – most of them Republicans – is asking me what will really change next year if the GOP gains control of the U.S. Senate in November.

I’m struggling to provide them a substantive answer.

Especially with Boehner originally offering up a border crisis bill that does nothing to actually address the premise of the problem to begin with, but does give Obama another $659 million to waste. Next comes a bill to allegedly fix the Veterans Affairs scandal, but really just reads like another massive pork-barrel spending/entitlement cash-grab they will hurry up and pass without actually reading.

Boehner’s answer to Obama’s lawlessness is to keep funding it. Or the filing of some lawsuit asking judges to violate their separation of powers, by doing Boehner’s Constitutionally-mandated oversight job for him. With taxpayers footing the exorbitant cost for all the billable hours accumulated by trial lawyers on both sides, of course.

I get asked all the time when is it time for a third party, but I think I’d like to see what a second party looks like first.

Read more at http://politicaloutcast.com/2014/08/yet-republicans-fight-grassroot-conservatives-harder-fight-democrats/#sJFHl6uIdFyZHfZw.99
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I'm sorry, but I totally 'get' why the GOP is fighting "grassroot Conservatives" rather than taking the fight to the RATS.

Real "power" is won at the ballot box, that's why.

They are focusing on trying to make sure no more Todd Aikens are out there.....or 'witches' either for that matter.



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The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.


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I'm sorry, but I totally 'get' why the GOP is fighting "grassroot Conservatives" rather than taking the fight to the RATS.

Real "power" is won at the ballot box, that's why.

They are focusing on trying to make sure no more Todd Aikens are out there.....or 'witches' either for that matter.

Except for the fact that there was not a thing wrong in what Todd Akin said and there never was any witch I'm right there with you!

Will we EVER stop letting the media choose our candidates for us?  It seems not!!!
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I'm sorry, but I totally 'get' why the GOP is fighting "grassroot Conservatives" rather than taking the fight to the RATS.

Real "power" is won at the ballot box, that's why.

They are focusing on trying to make sure no more Todd Aikens are out there.....or 'witches' either for that matter.
Todd Akin, for the umpteenth time, was the GOP establishment candidate.
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Todd Akin, for the umpteenth time, was the GOP establishment candidate.

Nevertheless, I'm glad to see the Party leadership thoroughly vet their party members and candidates to make sure there's nothing in the closet that can they can trot out a month before the election to lose the particular seat. 

if the Tea Party candidate wins....I'm all for it.   If they don't...no big deal.   The enemy is Barack Obama's policy and the Democrats.



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Nevertheless, I'm glad to see the Party leadership thoroughly vet their party members and candidates to make sure there's nothing in the closet that can they can trot out a month before the election to lose the particular seat. 

if the Tea Party candidate wins....I'm all for it.   If they don't...no big deal.   The enemy is Barack Obama's policy and the Democrats.
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Todd Akin, for the umpteenth time, was the GOP establishment candidate.
Todd Akin was a member of the US House of Representatives Tea Party Caucus. FACT.

That makes him Tea Party, among common sense non-hairsplitters.
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Nevertheless, I'm glad to see the Party leadership thoroughly vet their party members and candidates to make sure there's nothing in the closet that can they can trot out a month before the election to lose the particular seat. 

if the Tea Party candidate wins....I'm all for it.   If they don't...no big deal.   The enemy is Barack Obama's policy and the Democrats.

The fact that all incumbent Senators running in GOP primaries won give us an excellent chance of taking the Senate.  No cock-fighting supporters, or ex-talk show hosts out there to embarrass the Republicans and take everybody else down too.
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The democratic party has been screwing America since Moby Dick was a minnow.  When some democrats and whigs became the republican party, they offered a good alternative.  Since then they have become weak kneed, spineless, whipping posts for the democrats who are still screwing America since the same old way.
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The democratic party has been screwing America since Moby Dick was a minnow.  When some democrats and whigs became the republican party, they offered a good alternative.  Since then they have become weak kneed, spineless, whipping posts for the democrats who are still screwing America since the same old way.

Are you including Reagan in that description of the GOP?

In 1854, the new Republican Party alternative to the Democrats was opposition to slavery.
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Are you including Reagan in that description of the GOP?

In 1854, the new Republican Party alternative to the Democrats was opposition to slavery.

Completely and totally WRONG! 

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Explain.

The then new Republican party was about protecting the interests of Northern industrialists in every way possible and slavery had nothing at all to do with it except as a convenience.
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The then new Republican party was about protecting the interests of Northern industrialists in every way possible and slavery had nothing at all to do with it except as a convenience.

You might want to look at the 1856 Republican platform as well as the Lincoln/Douglas Debates in 1858...not to mention the 1860 campaign.  The 1860 platform stood against any expansion of slavery into the territories, and was an extension of the Whig principles.  The Republicans not only ended slavery and saved the Union, but forced enactment of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments.  It reminds me of Democrats who say Slavery had nothing to do with the confederacy.

I recommend "Back to Basics for the Republican Party" by Michael Zak.  Might provide a different perspective for the self-described conservatives of today.
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You might want to look at the 1856 Republican platform as well as the Lincoln/Douglas Debates in 1858...not to mention the 1860 campaign.  The 1860 platform stood against any expansion of slavery into the territories, and was an extension of the Whig principles.  The Republicans not only ended slavery and saved the Union, but forced enactment of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments.  It reminds me of Democrats who say Slavery had nothing to do with the confederacy.

I recommend "Back to Basics for the Republican Party" by Michael Zak.  Might provide a different perspective for the self-described conservatives of today.


As I said! Only as a matter of convenience!

The then Republican party was full of former Whigs who LOVED to pass out government money to their corporate friends.  They wanted that to continue and the tariff to be as high as necessary to protect them from having to compete with British manufacturing and to hell with how that harmed the people who actually had to pay it!

And BTW! The ranks of the early Republican Party, and Lincoln's army, was filled with the former leaders of failed European socialist revelations that had taken place in 1848 who had escaped to America from their former homes one step ahead of the hangman!

Learn some REAL history instead of the public school BS you have been fed all your life.

This might help get you started.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-Eighters
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As I said! Only as a matter of convenience!

The then Republican party was full of former Whigs who LOVED to pass out government money to their corporate friends.  They wanted that to continue and the tariff to be as high as necessary to protect them from having to compete with British manufacturing and to hell with how that harmed the people who actually had to pay it!

And BTW! The ranks of the early Republican Party, and Lincoln's army, was filled with the former leaders of failed European socialist revelations that had taken place in 1848 who had escaped to America from their former homes one step ahead of the hangman!

Learn some REAL history instead of the public school BS you have been fed all your life.

The former Whigs were the party that pushed for infrastructure for the expanding Nation.  The Republican Party of 1854 and ahead was made up principally from the North, and stood against the expansion of slavery. As Kansas was a primary target of the slave expansion, it was the focus of the Republican platform of 1856 and of course led to the 1858 and 1860 campaigns. 

As for "REAL history", I again recommend the book I listed above.  You sir might learn something.   :pondering:
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MAC wrote above:
[[ The Republicans ...  forced enactment of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments... ]]

In retrospect, I wish that they hadn't.

We are still paying for those amendments today, and they have done nothing good for the history of this country.

No apologies for this statement.

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I don't see how the 48ers prove the Republican party was NOT based on abolition of slavery, which had been controversial since the founding, and already taken place in Britain.
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I don't see how the 48ers prove the Republican party was NOT based on abolition of slavery, which had been controversial since the founding, and already taken place in Britain.

It was a means to an end (to undermine and destroy the Constitution for REPUBLIC of the United States) and it worked quite well.
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MAC wrote above:
[[ The Republicans ...  forced enactment of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments... ]]

In retrospect, I wish that they hadn't.

We are still paying for those amendments today, and they have done nothing good for the history of this country.

No apologies for this statement.

And slavery was a positive influence on the history of this Country?  On the right side of the aisle we frequently refer to God given rights, including of course freedom.  Do they exist only for certain humans?
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It was a means to an end (to undermine and destroy the Constitution for REPUBLIC of the United States) and it worked quite well.

I'm not sure how keeping this Nation together and ending slavery undermined and destroyed our republic.  Might be my two years of public school education that's dimming my understanding.  I actually attended Catholic school my first ten years.

Anyway perhaps we're discussing the issue of "states-rights" trumping human rights in a republican form of government?  If so, yes, that would be a major difference between the Whig-Republican Party of 1856-60 and the Democrat Party.
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And slavery was a positive influence on the history of this Country?  On the right side of the aisle we frequently refer to God given rights, including of course freedom.  Do they exist only for certain humans?

Apparently it was impossible to both end slavery and not increase the power of a central government.

Or was one just a convenient excuse to bring in the other?


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Todd Akin was a member of the US House of Representatives Tea Party Caucus. FACT.

That makes him Tea Party, among common sense non-hairsplitters.
Yet his two opponents, John Brunner and Sarah Steelman, were not part of federal office. Steelman was a state treasurer, a common position held by many Tea Party candidates, including Richard Mourdock. Brunner had never held office.

In contrast, Akin had served six terms in U.S. Congress up to that point.

Of the three, he was the establishment candidate. He had established himself in Washington 12 years before his opponents. FACT.
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