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I'm sorry, but I totally 'get' why the GOP is fighting "grassroot Conservatives" rather than taking the fight to the RATS.

Real "power" is won at the ballot box, that's why.

They are focusing on trying to make sure no more Todd Aikens are out there.....or 'witches' either for that matter.
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The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.


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I'm sorry, but I totally 'get' why the GOP is fighting "grassroot Conservatives" rather than taking the fight to the RATS.

Real "power" is won at the ballot box, that's why.

They are focusing on trying to make sure no more Todd Aikens are out there.....or 'witches' either for that matter.

Except for the fact that there was not a thing wrong in what Todd Akin said and there never was any witch I'm right there with you!

Will we EVER stop letting the media choose our candidates for us?  It seems not!!!

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I'm sorry, but I totally 'get' why the GOP is fighting "grassroot Conservatives" rather than taking the fight to the RATS.

Real "power" is won at the ballot box, that's why.

They are focusing on trying to make sure no more Todd Aikens are out there.....or 'witches' either for that matter.
Todd Akin, for the umpteenth time, was the GOP establishment candidate.

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Todd Akin, for the umpteenth time, was the GOP establishment candidate.

Nevertheless, I'm glad to see the Party leadership thoroughly vet their party members and candidates to make sure there's nothing in the closet that can they can trot out a month before the election to lose the particular seat. 

if the Tea Party candidate wins....I'm all for it.   If they don't...no big deal.   The enemy is Barack Obama's policy and the Democrats.
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Nevertheless, I'm glad to see the Party leadership thoroughly vet their party members and candidates to make sure there's nothing in the closet that can they can trot out a month before the election to lose the particular seat. 

if the Tea Party candidate wins....I'm all for it.   If they don't...no big deal.   The enemy is Barack Obama's policy and the Democrats.
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Todd Akin, for the umpteenth time, was the GOP establishment candidate.
Todd Akin was a member of the US House of Representatives Tea Party Caucus. FACT.

That makes him Tea Party, among common sense non-hairsplitters.
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Nevertheless, I'm glad to see the Party leadership thoroughly vet their party members and candidates to make sure there's nothing in the closet that can they can trot out a month before the election to lose the particular seat. 

if the Tea Party candidate wins....I'm all for it.   If they don't...no big deal.   The enemy is Barack Obama's policy and the Democrats.

The fact that all incumbent Senators running in GOP primaries won give us an excellent chance of taking the Senate.  No cock-fighting supporters, or ex-talk show hosts out there to embarrass the Republicans and take everybody else down too.
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The democratic party has been screwing America since Moby Dick was a minnow.  When some democrats and whigs became the republican party, they offered a good alternative.  Since then they have become weak kneed, spineless, whipping posts for the democrats who are still screwing America since the same old way.
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The democratic party has been screwing America since Moby Dick was a minnow.  When some democrats and whigs became the republican party, they offered a good alternative.  Since then they have become weak kneed, spineless, whipping posts for the democrats who are still screwing America since the same old way.

Are you including Reagan in that description of the GOP?

In 1854, the new Republican Party alternative to the Democrats was opposition to slavery.
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Are you including Reagan in that description of the GOP?

In 1854, the new Republican Party alternative to the Democrats was opposition to slavery.

Completely and totally WRONG! 


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Explain.

The then new Republican party was about protecting the interests of Northern industrialists in every way possible and slavery had nothing at all to do with it except as a convenience.

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The then new Republican party was about protecting the interests of Northern industrialists in every way possible and slavery had nothing at all to do with it except as a convenience.

You might want to look at the 1856 Republican platform as well as the Lincoln/Douglas Debates in 1858...not to mention the 1860 campaign.  The 1860 platform stood against any expansion of slavery into the territories, and was an extension of the Whig principles.  The Republicans not only ended slavery and saved the Union, but forced enactment of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments.  It reminds me of Democrats who say Slavery had nothing to do with the confederacy.

I recommend "Back to Basics for the Republican Party" by Michael Zak.  Might provide a different perspective for the self-described conservatives of today.
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You might want to look at the 1856 Republican platform as well as the Lincoln/Douglas Debates in 1858...not to mention the 1860 campaign.  The 1860 platform stood against any expansion of slavery into the territories, and was an extension of the Whig principles.  The Republicans not only ended slavery and saved the Union, but forced enactment of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments.  It reminds me of Democrats who say Slavery had nothing to do with the confederacy.

I recommend "Back to Basics for the Republican Party" by Michael Zak.  Might provide a different perspective for the self-described conservatives of today.

As I said! Only as a matter of convenience!

The then Republican party was full of former Whigs who LOVED to pass out government money to their corporate friends.  They wanted that to continue and the tariff to be as high as necessary to protect them from having to compete with British manufacturing and to hell with how that harmed the people who actually had to pay it!

And BTW! The ranks of the early Republican Party, and Lincoln's army, was filled with the former leaders of failed European socialist revelations that had taken place in 1848 who had escaped to America from their former homes one step ahead of the hangman!

Learn some REAL history instead of the public school BS you have been fed all your life.

This might help get you started.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-Eighters
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As I said! Only as a matter of convenience!

The then Republican party was full of former Whigs who LOVED to pass out government money to their corporate friends.  They wanted that to continue and the tariff to be as high as necessary to protect them from having to compete with British manufacturing and to hell with how that harmed the people who actually had to pay it!

And BTW! The ranks of the early Republican Party, and Lincoln's army, was filled with the former leaders of failed European socialist revelations that had taken place in 1848 who had escaped to America from their former homes one step ahead of the hangman!

Learn some REAL history instead of the public school BS you have been fed all your life.

The former Whigs were the party that pushed for infrastructure for the expanding Nation.  The Republican Party of 1854 and ahead was made up principally from the North, and stood against the expansion of slavery. As Kansas was a primary target of the slave expansion, it was the focus of the Republican platform of 1856 and of course led to the 1858 and 1860 campaigns. 

As for "REAL history", I again recommend the book I listed above.  You sir might learn something.   :pondering:
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MAC wrote above:
[[ The Republicans ...  forced enactment of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments... ]]

In retrospect, I wish that they hadn't.

We are still paying for those amendments today, and they have done nothing good for the history of this country.

No apologies for this statement.

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I don't see how the 48ers prove the Republican party was NOT based on abolition of slavery, which had been controversial since the founding, and already taken place in Britain.
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I don't see how the 48ers prove the Republican party was NOT based on abolition of slavery, which had been controversial since the founding, and already taken place in Britain.

It was a means to an end (to undermine and destroy the Constitution for REPUBLIC of the United States) and it worked quite well.
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MAC wrote above:
[[ The Republicans ...  forced enactment of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments... ]]

In retrospect, I wish that they hadn't.

We are still paying for those amendments today, and they have done nothing good for the history of this country.

No apologies for this statement.

And slavery was a positive influence on the history of this Country?  On the right side of the aisle we frequently refer to God given rights, including of course freedom.  Do they exist only for certain humans?
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It was a means to an end (to undermine and destroy the Constitution for REPUBLIC of the United States) and it worked quite well.

I'm not sure how keeping this Nation together and ending slavery undermined and destroyed our republic.  Might be my two years of public school education that's dimming my understanding.  I actually attended Catholic school my first ten years.

Anyway perhaps we're discussing the issue of "states-rights" trumping human rights in a republican form of government?  If so, yes, that would be a major difference between the Whig-Republican Party of 1856-60 and the Democrat Party.
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And slavery was a positive influence on the history of this Country?  On the right side of the aisle we frequently refer to God given rights, including of course freedom.  Do they exist only for certain humans?

Apparently it was impossible to both end slavery and not increase the power of a central government.

Or was one just a convenient excuse to bring in the other?


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Todd Akin was a member of the US House of Representatives Tea Party Caucus. FACT.

That makes him Tea Party, among common sense non-hairsplitters.
Yet his two opponents, John Brunner and Sarah Steelman, were not part of federal office. Steelman was a state treasurer, a common position held by many Tea Party candidates, including Richard Mourdock. Brunner had never held office.

In contrast, Akin had served six terms in U.S. Congress up to that point.

Of the three, he was the establishment candidate. He had established himself in Washington 12 years before his opponents. FACT.


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