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American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« on: August 07, 2014, 05:13:38 PM »
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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2014, 05:18:59 PM »
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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2014, 05:19:36 PM »
Our efforts will likely be for show. They will not alter the longer term success of the terrorists to control the region.

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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2014, 05:24:57 PM »
I think ISIS, or whatever they are calling themselves now, are in for a rather nasty wake up call.

I love the Kurdish people. A little stand offish, they are, but they'll give you their last sip of water or the shirt off their back without question. And they fight like demons straight from hell. All of them - men, women and children.
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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2014, 05:49:45 PM »

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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2014, 05:56:43 PM »
I dunno....that's a long damned flight from the Persian Gulf where our carriers operate, and they would need tanker support in and out.  Hard to believe that kind of operation could take place without the direct cooperation of the al Malaki Government.  Long range bombers (Buff, B-1, B-2) could reach it but they are not tactical bombers.

Let's wait and see where this one goes.....


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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2014, 06:06:31 PM »
I dunno....that's a long damned flight from the Persian Gulf where our carriers operate, and they would need tanker support in and out.  Hard to believe that kind of operation could take place without the direct cooperation of the al Malaki Government.  Long range bombers (Buff, B-1, B-2) could reach it but they are not tactical bombers.

Let's wait and see where this one goes.....

From Incirlik Air Base, maybe? Last I heard there was a decent USAF presence there.

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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2014, 06:15:05 PM »
Did Obama hear about the genocide of Christians on the news?

He didn't seem to be even slightly interested until now.

Or doesn't he even know yet what's been going on for months now??   **nononono*
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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2014, 06:39:13 PM »
A US Army Special Forces Major sat in my office Tuesday afternoon, and we killed the time until his agent arrived.

He said they called them ISIL, for Islamic in Syria and Levant, and he said the Kurds would kick their butts.

Yet the Kurds have not yet kicked their butts. The Iraqis turned tail and ran away, too.

These jihadis are said to be combat veterans, disciplined, using equipment the US gave to the Iraqis.

I hardly think some bombing will turn the tide.


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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2014, 08:06:26 PM »
From Incirlik Air Base, maybe? Last I heard there was a decent USAF presence there.

Though as always, your counsel is wise.

Turkey??  They would go nuts, as they more or less support ISIS as long as they are killing Kurds.  No way would Turkey allow airstrikes to originate from their soil.

The only thing they could throw at ISIS at this point is a strike from a carrier in the Gulf, but we simply do not have any resources left in the area and such a mission would be so risky as to be near suicidal.  No friendly divert available, and with the ordnance loads they would need, you would have to have enormous tanker support inbound and outbound from the target(s).  And that's just one carrier strike.  To be effective you have to have multiple strikes, BDA, and restrike if necessary.  None of that is possible over there.  With the proliferation of shoulder-fired SAMs I think it would be incredibly risky to even attempt to penetrate (former) Iraqi airspace.


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Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2014, 08:14:22 PM »
Well - they have a couple friendly diverts in Jordan - but you are really going to be coming in on fumes and prayers for those, looking at the crow flies details. Turkey does make more sense, and they are more worried about ISIS than they are about the Kurds right now.
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