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Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« on: August 03, 2014, 09:31:02 AM »
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 10:05:00 AM »
Opinion, not news.

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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 11:55:57 AM »
Opinion, not news.

Again - it is in the opinion thread.
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2014, 12:15:11 PM »
We are entering revolutionary times. The law is no longer equally applied. The media are the ministry of truth. The Democratic party is a revolutionary force. And it is all getting scary. -VDH

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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2014, 12:27:44 PM »
Obama is a brainwashed idiot.
 
In his world view, Muslims built everything good on Earth, and those evil White colonialists are responsible for everything negative in the history of the world. And everything the White people have, they stole from the Muslims and from Black people. This really is what he believes.
 
People like Obama, who have limited brain power, think this way all the time. They don't like deep thought, history, or context. They want things to be simple.
 
Obama is the poster child for this mindset. Muslim good. Not Muslim bad.
 
That's all. End of discussion.
 
(I still cannot believe America elected this radical fool. f**king amazing)
makes you wonder who is the bigger fool.
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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2014, 12:57:35 PM »
As I said on another thread: Muslims invented the concept of zero.

You got a Zero in the white house
You got a zero as Sec. State.
Zero idea on domestic policy.
Zero idea on foreign policy.
Zero idea what to do.

So yep - Muslims had a profound impact on the USA.
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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2014, 04:16:18 PM »
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"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2014, 04:23:40 PM »
To be fair, there is one major figure that can at least get credit. The Sultan Abdallah of Morocco. He was the first to recognize the US as an independent country even though we were still fighting the Revolutionary War and provided us merchant ships that helped supply the army. The Treaty of Marrakech is recognized as the first international treaty by the US and is the longest lasting treaty.

Of course, it will be argued that the Sultan didn't do it for our benefit but as a strike against the British Empire to help him control shipping lanes.


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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2014, 04:30:25 PM »
Forget America, what have Muslims contributed to the history of the WORLD but violence and a perpetuation of 8th century values?
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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2014, 04:35:51 PM »
Forget America, what have Muslims contributed to the history of the WORLD but violence and a perpetuation of 8th century values?

They did keep a lot of history alive. Knowledge too. Until the more violent ones decided to destroy the library in Baghdad, since they only needed "one book." Same reason the Catholics gave to wipe out Alexandria.
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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2014, 05:21:04 PM »
They did keep a lot of history alive. Knowledge too. Until the more violent ones decided to destroy the library in Baghdad, since they only needed "one book." Same reason the Catholics gave to wipe out Alexandria.

There was a brief time when many Islamic Sultans had some of the biggest libraries and collections of knowledge as well as contributed greatly to scientific and medical knowledge (circa 780 to 1200). They established the House of Wisdom which led some of the greatest ancient document translations in history.

I would argue though that this wasn't due to Islamic philosophy but in spite of it.

The real reason was the great, accumulated wealth of Sultans like Abbasid which afforded them the time to explore leisurely activities and collect the knowledge. They also were vital in the empires they were building and running the trade routes.

By today's standard, they would be considered quite secular and probably labeled infidel. At that, modern Islamic scholars like Iran's Shoja-e-din Shafa actually condemns that age as religiously lost.

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Re: Obama, please list Muslim contributions to America
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2014, 05:26:31 PM »
They did keep a lot of history alive. Knowledge too. Until the more violent ones decided to destroy the library in Baghdad, since they only needed "one book." Same reason the Catholics gave to wipe out Alexandria.

The history is a little muddier on that.  Per the wikipedia article:

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The library is famous for having been burned resulting in the loss of many scrolls and books, and has become a symbol of the destruction of cultural knowledge. A few sources differ on who is responsible for the destruction and when it occurred. Although there is a mythology of the burning of the Library at Alexandria, the library may have suffered several fires or acts of destruction over many years. Possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria include a fire set by Julius Caesar in 48 BC, an attack by Aurelian in the A.D. 270s, the decree of Coptic Pope Theophilus in A.D. 391, and the decree of the second caliph Omar ibn Al-khatt?b in A.D. 640.

After the main library was fully destroyed, ancient scholars used a "daughter library" in a temple known as the Serapeum, located in another part of the city. According to Socrates of Constantinople, Coptic Pope Theophilus destroyed the Serapeum in A.D. 391.


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