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Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« on: July 31, 2014, 09:43:34 AM »

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2014, 09:44:14 AM »

Is the president incompetent or lawless?


Why insist on just one?


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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2014, 09:44:55 AM »
"The choice is between two more years of government by decree or two years of prosecution. It is a choice the president has imposed upon us all."

Pity those poor Republicans.

Like it or not, they may have no choice but to make that "choice"...

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 09:46:11 AM »
Pity those poor Republicans.

Like it or not, they may have no choice but to make that "choice"...

The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.


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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2014, 09:56:10 AM »
The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.

And the Republicans have nearly perfected that role.

When you vote for a Republican, what do you get? Seriously. Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2014, 10:09:37 AM »
"The choice is between two more years of government by decree or two years of prosecution. It is a choice the president has imposed upon us all."

Pity those poor Republicans.

Like it or not, they may have no choice but to make that "choice"...

I won't he holding my breath with this crew.

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2014, 11:46:49 AM »
Apparently, there are some -democrats- who are growing quite nervous about Obama's behavior.

If the impeachment snowball starts rollin', I wonder how "solid" the "democratic wall" will remain?

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2014, 12:16:08 PM »
Obama has abandoned all Americans being held overseas. He has abandoned all of our former allies, and has embraced our enemies, both directly and indirectly.
 
His sole focus these days is himself and his 'poor little me fighting the evil Republicans' routine. His focus is completely and onlly on America and Americans.
 
And, as many have predicted for years now, his behavior is becoming increasingly irratic and dangerously angry, as his removal from office approaches.
 
I can certainly see a time when his behavior becomes so detrimental to America as a whole and to all Americans that even the Democrats would step in to stop him. I think Obama has no limit to what he may do before[if] he leaves office. He seems to me to be growing more irrational and frankly, furious with America, day by day.
 
We shall see. But it is going to be an unpredictable two years ahead.
 
 
 
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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2014, 01:06:05 PM »
And the Republicans have nearly perfected that role.

When you vote for a Republican, what do you get? Seriously. Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?
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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2014, 01:49:28 PM »
Sounds like a Democrat? Republicans have a damaged brand, if they don't offer anything that Democrats don't offer, who would vote for them?

Only the sane. Who seem to be in increasingly short supply.
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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2014, 01:55:09 PM »
You'd think at least a handful of DEM senators would go to the well of the floor and say, "We didn't sign up for this Anti-Americanism and outright criminal behavior from the heads of our party."

That's all it would take, imho.
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2014, 01:56:26 PM »
You'd think at least a handful of DEM senators would go to the well of the floor and say, "We didn't sign up for this Anti-Americanism and outright criminal behavior from the heads of our party."

That's because there aren't even a handful of DEM senators who didn't sign up for it...


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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2014, 01:57:25 PM »
That's because there aren't even a handful of DEM senators who didn't sign up for it...

I simply refuse to believe that, Dan.

Too wide a brush you're using there, imo.
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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2014, 01:58:17 PM »
Only the sane. Who seem to be in increasingly short supply.

I buy into the logic that you have to win the squishy middle to win national elections. Sure, you have to win your base, that goes without saying. Putting myself in the shoes of a moderate, low to medium information voter, going to the poll, I see I have Dem star that the media loves. After all Democrats are for the little guy, right? And I have Republican meanie who has been vilified by the media. I try to think about what makes Dem star different from Rep meanie. Nothing stands out, only that the Rep meanie promises to manage things better than the Dem star?

Your questioning of sanity may be more reasonable in regard to Republicans.

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2014, 02:01:03 PM »
I simply refuse to believe that, Dan.

Too wide a brush you're using there, imo.

I'm with Dan. Because while you and I may see it as a problem, they see it as progress and making things right.

For the very few that don't agree... why would they commit political and financial suicide. Go to the floor, spout that stuff, and you will surely lose party support, likely not be re-elected, and forget that job on K street.

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2014, 02:02:57 PM »
I simply refuse to believe that, Dan.

Too wide a brush you're using there, imo.

Yeah but your simple refusal to believe that is the only evidence that you have that I am using too wide a brush... 


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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2014, 02:10:29 PM »
I buy into the logic that you have to win the squishy middle to win national elections. Sure, you have to win your base, that goes without saying. Putting myself in the shoes of a moderate, low to medium information voter, going to the poll, I see I have Dem star that the media loves. After all Democrats are for the little guy, right? And I have Republican meanie who has been vilified by the media. I try to think about what makes Dem star different from Rep meanie. Nothing stands out, only that the Rep meanie promises to manage things better than the Dem star?

Your questioning of sanity may be more reasonable in regard to Republicans.

Point taken. The Republicans as a whole are horrible at messaging. Even when they get it right, no one hears it. That is not going to stop until at least half of the media is under conservative control. Now, the only Repubs who get air time are the fringe kooks. The single issue warriors, if you like.
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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2014, 02:14:31 PM »
You'd think at least a handful of DEM senators would go to the well of the floor and say, "We didn't sign up for this Anti-Americanism and outright criminal behavior from the heads of our party."

That's all it would take, imho.

I agree with you about that being all it would take but independent thought or action is not allowed in the Democrat party these days. None what-so-ever!

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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2014, 02:18:18 PM »
Point taken. The Republicans as a whole are horrible at messaging. Even when they get it right, no one hears it. That is not going to stop until at least half of the media is under conservative control. Now, the only Repubs who get air time are the fringe kooks. The single issue warriors, if you like.

I understand the challenge on messaging, but I disagree that the media has to change for the Reps to get their message out. The media isn't changing. But, there is Fox, and there is a ton of alternate media. If the Reps got the message right, and believed it, and got majority member buy in, they could destroy the Democrats.

I don't believe the Republicans want to get the message right. The Republican party is now a European style conservative party. That is to say, they love big government too, and simply promise to manage it better.

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2014, 02:50:50 PM »
In 1974 the House Judiciary Committee voted thusly on the first Article I. of Impeachment, of President Nixon:

Democrats 21 of 21 yes

Republicans 6 of 17 yes

IOW nearly 1/3 of "opposition" party committee member voted in favor of impeachment of their own party's President

Do people yammering  about how bad the Republicans are, think 1/3 of democrats in congress today would vote to impeach Obama now?

Why? Because a strong enough POLITICAL case has not been made. It is not up to Krauthammer, Turley, Napolitano.

It IS up to democrat voters. Impeachment relies on voters of the President's own party losing confidence, trust, faith in him.

That was the case with Nixon, but is NOT the case with Clinton or Obama.
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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2014, 02:57:26 PM »
In 1974 the House Judiciary Committee voted thusly on the first Article I. of Impeachment, of President Nixon:

Democrats 21 of 21 yes

Republicans 6 of 17 yes

IOW nearly 1/3 of "opposition" party committee member voted in favor of impeachment of their own party's President

Do people yammering  about how bad the Republicans are, think 1/3 of democrats in congress today would vote to impeach Obama now?

Why? Because a strong enough POLITICAL case has not been made. It is not up to Krauthammer, Turley, Napolitano.

It IS up to democrat voters. Impeachment relies on voters of the President's own party losing confidence, trust, faith in him.

That was the case with Nixon, but is NOT the case with Clinton or Obama.

You could save a lot of time by just going to all the threads and repeatedly posting "Impeachment is bad!".

There was one minor mention of impeachment, and you went off. Could it be that you want to steer the topic away from discussing how tragically horrid the Republican party is today?

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2014, 03:08:29 PM »
You could save a lot of time by just going to all the threads and repeatedly posting "Impeachment is bad!".

There was one minor mention of impeachment, and you went off. Could it be that you want to steer the topic away from discussing how tragically horrid the Republican party is today?
Yeah, and repeating "how tragically horrid the Republican party is today" on every thread gets pretty old, too.

Impeachment is not "bad" as you put it. Impeachment is not wise at this time. Can you grasp those distinctions?
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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2014, 03:15:47 PM »
Yeah, and repeating "how tragically horrid the Republican party is today" on every thread gets pretty old, too.

Impeachment is not "bad" as you put it. Impeachment is not wise at this time. Can you grasp those distinctions?

Gee, you have that condescending, arrogant tone of a hardcore liberal. One might suspect you want to keep the impeachment talk in the forefront simply because it isn't wise?

In any case, yes, it is important to note how bad the Republicans have become. I note that you don't refute it, you simply insult. Go for it.

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Re: Naplolitano: Is the president incompetent or lawless?
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2014, 03:52:17 PM »
truth_seeker wrote above:
[[ In 1974 the House Judiciary Committee voted thusly on the first Article I. of Impeachment, of President Nixon:
Democrats 21 of 21 yes
Republicans 6 of 17 yes
IOW nearly 1/3 of "opposition" party committee member voted in favor of impeachment of their own party's President
Do people yammering  about how bad the Republicans are, think 1/3 of democrats in congress today would vote to impeach Obama now? ]]

Got a problem with your "numbers" above.
Not that they aren't correct.

An Obama impeachment could fly through the House easily, we "have the numbers" there and it doesn't need to be "bipartisan" -- it just needs to BE.

By 2015 we should have the Senate, too -- hopefully with 53-54 Republicans.

It would still require 13-14 democratic Senators for a conviction, I realize that's an uphill climb.

But if Obama's behavior continues to grow more lawless and erratic by that time, I believe at least -some- of the democratic Senators may become "persuadable" to vote to remove him (and Valerie, the real president), in favor of Joe Biden instead. Remember, Biden was "one of their own", and putting him into the Oval Office might solve "the Hillary problem" and give the 'rats a headstart on 2016 by having a re-electable incumbent in the presidency.

There was a time when "bipartisanship" meant something in the Congress.
These days, it's a dead concept.
The ObamaCare vote killed and buried it.

We don't need -- nor do we necessarily want -- "bipartisanship" any more.

All we want (at least all -I- want), is to WIN.

I think we can win on the impeachment issue, if it is properly prepared and presented to the American people in early 2015.

And I believe it is absolutely necessary that the Republicans pursue it, IF they wish to continue their existence as a party that opposes what the democrats are doing to the country.

Otherwise, as Relic wrote above, they are well on their way to devloving into a European-style "Conservative" party that essentially represents nothing at all, and is for all practical purposes....  irrelevant.


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