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Re: Theodore 'Dutch' VanKirk: Last surviving Enola Gay crew member dies
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2014, 06:41:54 PM »
Damn. Just damn.

While agreeing with him that nukes are not exactly the best way to settle arguments - can you imagine being one of the first guys to literally open a portal to hell? May the Lord judge him gently.  :0001:
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Re: Theodore 'Dutch' VanKirk: Last surviving Enola Gay crew member dies
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2014, 06:51:47 PM »
At the time the allies expected the loss of military and civilians life to invade Japan's mainland would be horrific.

By contrast, the big shock of nukes returned them to their sanity, and saved a great many lives.

The amphibious invasion of Japan was to be multiples of Normandy. Normandy was the single biggest battle measured by total loss of American lives.

Faced with sacrificing tens of thousands more Americans, or dropping two bombs it becomes an easy decision.  It worked.

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Re: Theodore 'Dutch' VanKirk: Last surviving Enola Gay crew member dies
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 10:00:33 AM »
At the time the allies expected the loss of military and civilians life to invade Japan's mainland would be horrific.

By contrast, the big shock of nukes returned them to their sanity, and saved a great many lives.

The amphibious invasion of Japan was to be multiples of Normandy. Normandy was the single biggest battle measured by total loss of American lives.

Faced with sacrificing tens of thousands more Americans, or dropping two bombs it becomes an easy decision.  It worked.

America didn't choose to be in a war with Japan and although the loss of life by the bomb was horrendous, it wasn't as large as some of the firebomb raids.  We shouldn't forget Japan was developing a nuclear device also and would not have hesitated to use it on America.  Fortunately for the world, the U.S. finished developed it first.
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
George Washington

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
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Re: Theodore 'Dutch' VanKirk: Last surviving Enola Gay crew member dies
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2014, 08:34:52 PM »
Damn. Just damn.

While agreeing with him that nukes are not exactly the best way to settle arguments - can you imagine being one of the first guys to literally open a portal to hell? May the Lord judge him gently.  :0001:

I've little doubt he'll be judged better than most of us.


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