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I no longer talk to Obama: Turkey's Erdogan
« on: July 22, 2014, 10:00:05 AM »
 I no longer talk to Obama: Turkey's Erdogan

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Turkey, a fierce opponent of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and an open supporter of armed rebel fighters, felt betrayed when the United States backed away from military action against Damascus in September.

"In the past, I was calling him (Obama) directly. Because I can't get the expected results on Syria, our foreign ministers are now talking to each other," Erdogan said in a live interview on pro-government ATV channel late Monday.

"And I have talked to (US Vice President Joe) Biden. He calls me and I call him.

"I expect justice in this process. I couldn't imagine something like this from those who are championing justice," Erdogan added without elaborating, in an apparent jibe at Washington.

The last phone conversation between the two leaders took place on February 20 after which the White House released a statement accusing Erdogan of misrepresenting the content of the conversation.

A staunch advocate of the Palestinian cause, Erdogan has recently been at loggerheads with Washington over Israel's offensive in the besieged Gaza Strip that has killed more than 580 Palestinians in two weeks.

Erdogan accused the Jewish state of carrying out "state terrorism" and a "genocide" of Palestinians and criticised the United States for defending Israel's "disproportionate" tactics.

The US State Department branded his comments on Israel "offensive and wrong" but the prime minister hit back by saying the United States needed to engage in "self-criticism".

Erdogan is standing in August 10 presidential elections that he is expected to win, with analysts awaiting a more assertive foreign policy from Ankara if he becomes head of state.

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Re: I no longer talk to Obama: Turkey's Erdogan
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 10:34:07 AM »
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"I expect justice in this process. I couldn't imagine something like this from those who are championing justice,"

That was your first mistake, sir.

Expecting justice from a Marxist.
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Re: I no longer talk to Obama: Turkey's Erdogan
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 10:59:33 AM »
The ungluing of Iraq is the Biden Doctrine.  He's advocated the split up of Iraq for decades, and one of the main reasons that was such a bad idea is because Iraqi Kurds will eventually try and set themselves up as an independent State, which Turkey has repeatedly warned they will not tolerate and will oppose immediately with military force.

Why would anyone in the Turkish Government talk to Biden voluntarily, unless Obama gave them no other choice??

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Re: I no longer talk to Obama: Turkey's Erdogan
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2014, 11:56:37 AM »
Turkey might go for it - if the Kurds take chunks of Iraq and Syria and voluntarily leave what is claimed as Turkish soil. In that case, with such a deal, they might even help out.
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Re: I no longer talk to Obama: Turkey's Erdogan
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2014, 01:05:13 PM »
Turkey might go for it - if the Kurds take chunks of Iraq and Syria and voluntarily leave what is claimed as Turkish soil. In that case, with such a deal, they might even help out.

There's the rub...there is a large Turkish ethnic Kurd population who would love to join their brothers in Kurdish Iraq, and take a sizable chunk of Turkey along with them.  Turkey has said clearly for years that they will not accept that, and I do not blame them.  They will not have an enormous Gaza of their own on their border.  Easier to slaughter all the Kurds, in the tradition of the Ottomans.....


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Re: I no longer talk to Obama: Turkey's Erdogan
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2014, 01:11:34 PM »
There's the rub...there is a large Turkish ethnic Kurd population who would love to join their brothers in Kurdish Iraq, and take a sizable chunk of Turkey along with them.  Turkey has said clearly for years that they will not accept that, and I do not blame them.  They will not have an enormous Gaza of their own on their border.  Easier to slaughter all the Kurds, in the tradition of the Ottomans.....

I look at Turkey and am minded of Henry II. "Who will rid me of these troublesome Kurds?"

Turks are - mostly - pretty decent sorts. Kurds are definitely decent sorts (yes, I like the Kurds a lot, you haven't partied ti you have sat with them one wild night). I think if there is a way for Turkey to get rid of them without losing territory, they'll go for it. If that means carving out chunks of two other countries - well, why not?
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Re: I no longer talk to Obama: Turkey's Erdogan
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2014, 03:16:11 PM »
The ungluing of Iraq is the Biden Doctrine.  He's advocated the split up of Iraq for decades

It worked like a charm in Berlin so why would it be done any other way?
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