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It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« on: July 21, 2014, 07:54:05 PM »
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2014, 07:57:12 PM »
Never, ever, EVER call  a cop.  There is no situation that won't be made worse by the presence of LEOs.

Like the rest of the populace, cops are less educated, more prone to emotionalism, and know that they can hide behind "I was in fear for my life."  Uniform cams should be mandatory and any cop who doesn't turn his on in a situation should be presumed to be hiding something.

It's time these thugs are as afraid of us as we are of them.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2014, 08:02:24 PM »
The Garner incident on Staten Island drew a close resemblance to the Fullerton CA incident, whereby police beat a homeless, mentally ill man to death.

Police charged, but found not guilty by a jury.

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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2014, 08:14:03 PM »
They've used the drug war to turn the police into a domestic military, so basically the federal government has a military with the equipment to back it up that can stay home and be used against civilians. Spending billions of dollars on a war we cannot win in an effort to tell people what they can or cannot put in their own bodies is not following conservative values either.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2014, 08:17:54 PM »
I had an incident in Deadwood, South Dakota this past spring that really opened my eyes.  I am still upset over it.  I am being vague intentionally because I do not wish to recount the experience.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2014, 08:22:01 PM »

If we're going to do something we better do it before the federal government controls a mechanized army that no humans could ever hope to stand up to.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2014, 08:25:01 PM »
So I guess that thug in Houston who executed a police officer in cold blood, and then killed a bystander who tried to help, should be given a medal or something?
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2014, 08:26:58 PM »
So I guess that thug in Houston who executed a police officer in cold blood, and then killed a bystander who tried to help, should be given a medal or something?

We're allowing absolutes to draw lines through what is a grey area again. Most cops are not bad people and do have good intentions. Saying the police as a whole are doing bad things for America does not mean all police are bad for America and should be shot on sight.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2014, 08:36:43 PM »
Good cops turn into bad cops when they tolerate the bad cops. 

Learn to take care of yourself.  Remember this:  the primary objective of police work is for the officer to return to his family at night.  Nothing else, and no one else, matters.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2014, 08:37:05 PM »
There are good police and there are bad police. But isn't the difference in who they work for? We elect their supervisors; we're really their bosses. If the police in your city, town, county or state are bad, change the politicians until you get better ones. I think many of us have found some police on interstate roads that are not good, and that we can't do much about (I won't say how i know about that!)
But if we don't like what the police are doing, we shouldn't just blame the police. We should find politicians who know the proper role for the police force.

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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2014, 08:41:31 PM »
Good cops turn into bad cops when they tolerate the bad cops. 

Learn to take care of yourself.  Remember this:  the primary objective of police work is for the officer to return to his family at night.  Nothing else, and no one else, matters.

What do you do when the bad cop controls your employment?
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2014, 08:47:10 PM »
You are either a person of integrity or become compromised.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2014, 08:48:26 PM »
James Sapp, accused of shooting Vancouver cop, hung self, says Clark County ME

http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2014/07/james_sapp_accused_of_shooting.html#incart_river

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The Clark County Medical Examiner has determined that the man jailed on accusations he shot a Vancouver Police officer died of asphyxiation after hanging himself.

In addition, his death has been classified as a suicide, the ME's office declared.


The medical examiner's report on the death of James Todd Sapp, 48, was released Monday afternoon. Sapp had been discovered trying to commit suicide Thursday afternoon when deputies were conducting cell checks at the Clark County Jail. He was treated on the scene and then taken to a Vancouver hospital but was declared dead on Friday.

Sapp had been in jail since Monday, June 30, when he was arrested shortly after allegedly shooting and seriously wounded Officer Dustin Goudschaal, a Vancouver Police Department motorcycle patrol officer, moments after Goudschaal pulled Sapp over.

Sapp had been accused of first-degree attempted murder, first-degree robbery and second-degree unlawful possession of a firearm in the case. He had been awaiting arraignment when he was found trying to hang himself in his cell.

Goudschaal, who was shot seven times, has been recovering at home.  Officials said his ballistic vest helped save his life.


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American Nazi, Aryan Brotherhood, white supremacist, swastika tats, violent track record 3 decades long....shoots a police officer 7 times during a traffic stop.....exactly what is there to defend??

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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2014, 08:50:52 PM »
The good news is that more and more citizens are taking video of every situation in which a cop is involved.  Video doesn't lie, which is why police departments as a whole are opposed to citizens exercising this right.

Roll your video on your camera every single time you're involved with the police.  Odds are, you're going to eventually capture some pretty awful behavior.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2014, 08:52:39 PM »
The good news is that more and more citizens are taking video of every situation in which a cop is involved.  Video doesn't lie, which is why police departments as a whole are opposed to citizens exercising this right.

Roll your video on your camera every single time you're involved with the police.  Odds are, you're going to eventually capture some pretty awful behavior.

It's very important that we don't let them make it illegal to film the police. I also think all cops should be wearing cameras that they cannot turn on/off.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2014, 08:59:08 PM »
It's very important that we don't let them make it illegal to film the police. I also think all cops should be wearing cameras that they cannot turn on/off.

I totally agree with that. It won't be a problem for the good cops, and the bad ones deserve the problem.

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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2014, 09:01:40 PM »
Ah...a cop bashing thread....we have several members here with family members in LE and one member whose brother died in the line of duty.

Like every profession there are good and bad people...

Must say I don't appreciate where this thread is going...

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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2014, 09:12:40 PM »
Ah...a cop bashing thread....we have several members here with family members in LE and one member whose brother died in the line of duty.

Like every profession there are good and bad people...

Must say I don't appreciate where this thread is going...

Agreed myst.  My twin entered law enforcement in 1976 and he just retired.  Of course there are those who don't belong but the vast majority are good.  Despite one absolute power-hungry jerk I encountered in Deadwood, I'll take my chances with the police being on my side.  Frankly, I don't know how they do their jobs.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2014, 09:29:17 PM »
Ah...a cop bashing thread....we have several members here with family members in LE and one member whose brother died in the line of duty.

Like every profession there are good and bad people...

Must say I don't appreciate where this thread is going...

When National Review takes note of just three of the most recent instances of outrageous police behavior, you know there's a problem.  The increased militarization of local police departments, the willingness of police to shoot first and ask questions later, and a dramatic increase in the number of lawsuits alleging police brutality is an indication of law enforcement out of control. 

I have two nephews who are cops, and even they admit there's a huge problem in a majority of police departments. 

This thread is what it is.  The problem is not posting about LEO abuses.  It's LEO abuses.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2014, 09:54:09 PM »
Ah...a cop bashing thread....we have several members here with family members in LE and one member whose brother died in the line of duty.

Like every profession there are good and bad people...

Must say I don't appreciate where this thread is going...

I have relatives and friends who were/are in LE. All very good people, but one or two of them also had disagreements with the political directions their departments were taking. I certainly don't mean to be bashing cops, but I do think there are some police dep'ts that need redirecting. Maybe starting with our DoJ.

I do apologize if anyone thought I was bashing cops. There are some bad ones I won't defend, but I think those are a small percentage.

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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2014, 09:57:02 PM »
Dex wrote above:
[[ If we're going to do something we better do it before the federal government controls a mechanized army that no humans could ever hope to stand up to. ]]

There are ways around this.

I suggest you read John Ross' book, "Unintended Consequences" if you have not yet read it. It's long, but worth it. A history lesson as much as a novel.

It's not necessary to stand up to the Mechanized Army. If we had fought the British strictly on their rules of engagement, we probably would have lost. New methods of "engagement" can be devised.

In the novel, the "targets" become the unexpected. Bureaucrats, mid-level officials, etc.

Unpredictable. An entirely new kind of conflict.

I would recommend Ross' book to every member of this forum.

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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2014, 10:08:04 PM »


It's time these thugs are as afraid of us as we are of them.



Isn't that the basis for their behavior to begin with?   :shrug:
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2014, 10:36:19 PM »
Nah.  They're not afraid of anybody.  Get into any situation with any officer, and watch how quickly he/she pulls his gun.

Read the accounts at one of the numerous websites documenting the number of dogs killed by cops==dogs in their own yards, barking, yes, but protecting their territories.  I can't tell you how angry this makes me.

For some reason, LEOs resort to lethal force at the drop of a hat.  No, they're not afraid of you.  They rule you.  You will do what they tell you to do or else.

Hate to be so cynical, but months and months of reading about these abuses by cops is getting old.
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Re: It's Time for Conservatives to stop defending Police
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2014, 10:42:46 PM »
That poor man in New York was choked to death.  The only thing that will convict the cop of manslaughter (or more) is the video.  Otherwise, the other seven around him would be standing up for him and defending him.

That's disgusting.  And that is the kind of stuff that has gone on since time immemorial.  Not any more.
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