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Offline rangerrebew

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« on: July 18, 2014, 04:43:57 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2014, 04:45:47 PM »
Time to hit the 'reset' button again, you dunce?
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2014, 04:46:25 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2014, 05:29:12 PM »
Two things:

First, it is very off putting to me how she opens her eyes crazy wide open every time someone asks her a question. Not just in this interview, but in all of them. She looks like a psycho on meth when she does that, and she does it all the time.

Second, the latest 'fad' in D.C. these days is everyone saying that they told Europe not to depend on Russia for energy. Now, suddenly, everyone has been telling Europe that forever. However, these same oh so prescient sages, who know exactly what Europe should have done, are the exact same crew which is keeping our own American energy use tied completely to the whims of 7th century barbarians, who hate us and who openly declare that their ultimate goal is our destruction.

If Hillary and the rest of the Left now claim they knew Europe should not depend on Russia, then why do they constantly and consistently stifle American domestic oil production and keep us tied to unstable, unpredictable, Muslim fanatics in the Middle East?

Now that, is a good question to ask her Highness the Queen.   
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2014, 06:46:12 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2014, 07:59:08 PM »
Shouldn't somebody vow to find out who did this, and hold them accountable?

"Somebody" might be Holland, NATO, the UN, etc. But the deed is so outrageous, it DOES deserve attention.

I believe Obama and Hillary are stating it is not something upon which the US must be the sole, overall leader.
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2014, 10:27:03 PM »
I'm going to say it:
She's right.

[What looks to be] Crimean/Ukrainian rebels (supported by Russia) shooting down a commercial plane flying over known dangerous airspace, whether it be accidental or intentional, is not something over which the United States should get involved in a war with Russia. Even if Americans were killed (as they were).

It -is- "Europe's problem", and should remain limited to that.

We've been through all of this before on the world stage.
It's just not worth it, it's not our fight.
Did not we spend enough blood and treasure in the previous century resolving European hatred of one another to learn anything?

We have a much greater struggle right here, down on our southern border, with Mexico and Central American nations that are hostile to us, if not overtly, certainly covertly by their refusal to halt the invasion of America by illegals.

That is far more an existential threat to this country than what goes on in the Crimea.

Let them blow each other to pieces over there.
When the smoke and radiation clear away, THEN we can march in -- and take over!  ;)

Until then, our troops belong on the southern front.... um...... border.

That's where the defense of American soil and culture must begin.
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2014, 10:48:47 PM »
Hmmm; and Hitler was just a "European" problem too - until he wasn't.

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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2014, 11:45:47 PM »
While I wholeheartedly agree with Hillary.....and Fisherman,

I wonder if it's because it was "only one" American who was murdered.

Would we still feel it's "Europe's problem" if it were the originally estimated two dozen.
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2014, 11:55:12 PM »
While I wholeheartedly agree with Hillary.....and Fisherman,

I wonder if it's because it was "only one" American who was murdered.

Would we still feel it's "Europe's problem" if it were the originally estimated two dozen.

So you would have agreed that Hitler was "Europe's problem" back in the late 1930s?

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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2014, 11:58:08 PM »
So you would have agreed that Hitler was "Europe's problem" back in the late 1930s?

Of course.

But before you pounce....I am placing myself back in the 1930's, not looking back at history with a superior aura what was the right thing to do at the time.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2014, 12:03:17 AM »
Of course.

But before you pounce....I am placing myself back in the 1930's, not looking back at history with a superior aura what was the right thing to do at the time.

And what I am suggesting is that one of the lessons of history to be learned courtesy of Hitler is that things of this nature are never SEPs - Somebody Else's Problems - and that they are everyone's problem and should be taken care of by anyone and everyone else with the ability to do something about it, which in this case includes the US.

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2014, 12:05:50 AM »
And what I am suggesting is that one of the lessons of history to be learned courtesy of Hitler is that things of this nature are never SEPs - Somebody Else's Problems - and that they are everyone's problem and should be taken care of by anyone and everyone else with the ability to do something about it, which in this case includes the US.

So....why aren't we doing anything about Obama and his crew?  [/s]

Rhetorical, Oceander, my friend.  No offense intended.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2014, 12:06:52 AM »
So....why aren't we doing anything about Obama and his crew?  [/s]

Rhetorical, Oceander, my friend.  No offense intended.


None taken.  That is another very good example of the same problem, albeit not quite so pronounced as in the cases of A. Hitler or V. Putin.

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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2014, 12:13:42 AM »

None taken.  That is another very good example of the same problem, albeit not quite so pronounced as in the cases of A. Hitler or V. Putin.

Personally, I think Putin is only interested in control of the natural gas and oil.  And the fracking opportunities associated with same.

He's nothing like Hitler.

Barack Obama OTOH, wants to destroy the USA as the world's sole superpower.   No comparison.
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2014, 12:18:43 AM »
Personally, I think Putin is only interested in control of the natural gas and oil.  And the fracking opportunities associated with same.

He's nothing like Hitler.

Barack Obama OTOH, wants to destroy the USA as the world's sole superpower.   No comparison.

But what's the point of controlling natural gas and oil?

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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2014, 12:33:17 AM »

None taken.  That is another very good example of the same problem, albeit not quite so pronounced as in the cases of A. Hitler or V. Putin.

Yet.

He's still got a year and a half to go. 
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2014, 12:35:54 AM »
But what's the point of controlling natural gas and oil?

Money.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2014, 01:02:17 AM »
But what's the point of controlling natural gas and oil?


???

When you're trying to put 'Humpty Dumpty' back together again, you'd want to control any energy sources. 

I would, wouldn't you?
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2014, 01:33:50 AM »
But what's the point of controlling natural gas and oil?

Ask OPEC. And cast your mind back to 1976.
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2014, 01:42:29 AM »
Ask OPEC. And cast your mind back to 1976.
   
Exactly.....that was going to be my initial response but I wasn't sure of the year.   :laugh:
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2014, 02:43:13 AM »
Shouldn't somebody vow to find out who did this, and hold them accountable?

"Somebody" might be Holland, NATO, the UN, etc. But the deed is so outrageous, it DOES deserve attention.

I believe Obama and Hillary are stating it is not something upon which the US must be the sole, overall leader.

For all intents and purposes, NATO is America's military might tucking tail and the UN is America's money subsidizing anti-American interests.
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Hillary Goes Full Post-American Foreign Policy
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2014, 05:55:38 AM »
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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Re: Hillary Goes Full Post-American Foreign Policy
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2014, 08:53:06 AM »
Hmmm - does that mean that an attack on US soil, by people trained in the USA, that killed 3000 or so is entirely the USA's problem?

Could have told us that earlier.
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2014, 08:56:53 AM »
There is evidence the plane changed course at the last minute which moved it right over the launch site.  Why?  This might be more than Europe's problem.
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