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Offline rangerrebew

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« on: July 18, 2014, 06:27:38 AM »
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2014, 05:22:50 PM »
"A deficit is what you've got when you haven't got as much as if you just had nothing. If we tried any of this, we'd end up in jail, but the government gets rid of its debts by nationalizing them. That's like the alcoholic who solved his problem by pouring the booze in all of his bottles into one big container. Himself." (Charlie Farquharson, edited for spelling)

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2014, 06:49:38 PM »
Scattergun style article, from obscure fringe sources.

Time will tell how bad Obamacare turns out. But our entire medical care system is not unfixable.

Perhaps too costly, perhaps poorly administered, etc. Unfixable, no.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2014, 09:38:20 PM »
Wrong target, wrong ammunition.

The problem with the system isn't profiteering - the bogeyman, apparently, of both the left and the right - but rather rent-seeking and arbitrage created by/caused by government distortion of the health care/medical industry.  Obamacare is merely the logical end-result of this (fascist) interference, but it certainly isn't the first.  That started with medicare and medicaid.  Medicaid was enacted in 1965, so it shouldn't come as any surprise to anyone (other than a brainless liberal - but I repeat myself) that the cartelization of hospitals started in the 1970s.  Medicaid is simply one gigantic distortion of the health care industry where billions of taxpayer dollars are there for the taking, but only for the large market participants because the per-patient payment is low; it takes the economies of scale achievable only by gigantic national hospital chains to properly take advantage of (i.e., arbitrage or, in more earthy language, milk) the opportunities provided.  The only reason for the time lag is the time needed for the smart and amoral to figure out how to game the new system and the time needed to accumulate ownership/control of enough hospitals.

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