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Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« on: July 15, 2014, 09:21:09 PM »

Scientists looking for signs of life in the universe - as well as another planet like our own - are a lot closer to their goal than people realize.


That was the consensus of a panel on the search for life in the universe held at NASA headquarters Monday in Washington. The discussion focused not only on the philosophical question of whether we're alone in the universe but also on the technological advances made in an effort to answer that question.


"We believe we're very, very close in terms of technology and science to actually finding the other Earth and our chance to find signs of life on another world," said Sara Seager, a MacArthur Fellow and professor of planetary science and physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.


"Finding Earth's twin, that's kind of the holy grail," said John Grunsfeld, an astronaut who helped repair the Hubble Space Telescope in 2009 and is now an associate administrator at NASA.


Source: http://interstellar-news.blogspot.com/2014/07/scientists-very-close-to-finding-earths.html
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 09:45:13 PM »
Garbage.  Until we get the hell out of LOE we won't find squat.  We can't even tell what's on the other side of our own galaxy.  And we never will until we find some other propulsion than inefficient chemical rockets, and some way to conquer the speed of light. 

And in fact, we could have an alien force on their way here right now, and we would not know a thing until the light from their drives reached us, by which time it will be far too late to do anything about it.




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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 09:49:36 PM »
Garbage.  Until we get the hell out of LOE we won't find squat.  We can't even tell what's on the other side of our own galaxy.  And we never will until we find some other propulsion than inefficient chemical rockets, and some way to conquer the speed of light. 

And in fact, we could have an alien force on their way here right now, and we would not know a thing until the light from their drives reached us, by which time it will be far too late to do anything about it.


Question: Do you really think some intelligent life would want to visit this planet??
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2014, 09:51:21 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRn4WpoNAyo" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRn4WpoNAyo</a>
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 10:00:06 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKTgNCGhq9Y" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKTgNCGhq9Y</a>
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2014, 10:01:15 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB_R18yTcuQ" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB_R18yTcuQ</a>
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2014, 10:11:27 PM »
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2014, 11:15:30 PM »

Question: Do you really think some intelligent life would want to visit this planet??


???

They're already here, Kevin.   Open your eyes.   :whistle:

http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/20140715_Space_aliens_walk_among_us__Indeed__claims_retired_Temple_prof.html   :laugh:
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2014, 10:33:41 AM »
Garbage.  Until we get the hell out of LOE we won't find squat.  We can't even tell what's on the other side of our own galaxy.  And we never will until we find some other propulsion than inefficient chemical rockets, and some way to conquer the speed of light. 

And in fact, we could have an alien force on their way here right now, and we would not know a thing until the light from their drives reached us, by which time it will be far too late to do anything about it.

It's not garbage. When they say "findings Earth's twin" they are not talking about getting there (yet). They are simply talking about discovering it, which is absolutely possible for them to do from Earth as telescope technology advances. This is NASA desperately trying to pique the interest of humanity so they can get some of the funding they need to further our journey to discovering and understanding the universe. Space exploration will be the future of mankind; it is the frontier, the new world. The resources and technology we will gain from our space endeavors is beyond even what we can imagine. The importance of our space programs is immeasurable.
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2014, 10:49:38 AM »
It's not garbage. When they say "findings Earth's twin" they are not talking about getting there (yet). They are simply talking about discovering it, which is absolutely possible for them to do from Earth as telescope technology advances. This is NASA desperately trying to pique the interest of humanity so they can get some of the funding they need to further our journey to discovering and understanding the universe. Space exploration will be the future of mankind; it is the frontier, the new world. The resources and technology we will gain from our space endeavors is beyond even what we can imagine. The importance of our space programs is immeasurable.

IMO, there's too much of our own rock we don't know about.

Our technology needs to know how to look down as well as up.  The ocean floor shouldn't be a mystery in this so-called advanced age.

My own opinion that they aren't publicly speaking about that is because it would reveal multiple proof of long lost 'advanced' civilizations which were destroyed by cataclysmic events...'naturally' or as a result ofother influences.
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2014, 10:56:05 AM »
IMO, there's too much of our own rock we don't know about.

Our technology needs to know how to look down as well as up.  The ocean floor shouldn't be a mystery in this so-called advanced age.

My own opinion that they aren't publicly speaking about that is because it would reveal multiple proof of long lost 'advanced' civilizations which were destroyed by cataclysmic events...'naturally' or as a result ofother influences.

I think strides in technology/exploration should be encouraged on all fronts. Let's map the ocean too.
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2014, 11:02:17 AM »
I think strides in technology/exploration should be encouraged on all fronts. Let's map the ocean too.

With PRIVATE funding and not governmental control.
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2014, 11:25:06 AM »
With PRIVATE funding and not governmental control.

I don't much care who champions universal exploration as long as it happens. It would be nice if the government didn't have their paws all over it, but I tend to be more of a realist than that.
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2014, 02:57:35 PM »
More junk science. With the Hubble the best they can do, is locate a sun in comparable size to ours, with its own solar system with a earth size planet at almost the exact distance from that sun. But with all of that it does not come close to being a twin. There are way too many other factors needed to have it support rudimentary life, much less intelligent life.  We would have to have the Hubble moved inside of that other solar system to even see if the planet has water, land mass, clouds, an atmosphere, and how fast it turns on its axis. 

Until science evolves enough to be able to find us a planet full of Amazonian women looking for men, leave us alone with your “I think we found a twin” claims.  And get back to the task at hand and design a replacement for the shuttle so we don’t have to rely on Russia to get Americans into space.
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2014, 03:45:50 PM »
More junk science. With the Hubble the best they can do, is locate a sun in comparable size to ours, with its own solar system with a earth size planet at almost the exact distance from that sun. But with all of that it does not come close to being a twin. There are way too many other factors needed to have it support rudimentary life, much less intelligent life.  We would have to have the Hubble moved inside of that other solar system to even see if the planet has water, land mass, clouds, an atmosphere, and how fast it turns on its axis. 

Until science evolves enough to be able to find us a planet full of Amazonian women look for men, leave us alone with your “I think we found a twin” claims.  And get back to the task at hand and design a replacement for the shuttle so we don’t have to rely on Russia to get Americans into space.

Sorry, Navy, but that's just not true.

The best comparison to the Hubble telescope is the first cell phone, that came with its own miniature suitcase...with a curly cue antennae on the car.

It's obsolete....in a sense that if we could, we'd upgrade the lenses with existing technology.

That's the very point NASA is trying to make....in addition to attempting to justify future funding.

It was Obama's regime that retired the space shuttle and turned away from the moon....which anybody who could fog a mirror knows it's the ultimate "eye in the sky" in terms of earth's surveillance.   Put a Hubble on the moon, and they could read a newspaper over your shoulder.
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2014, 11:18:54 PM »
More junk science. With the Hubble the best they can do, is locate a sun in comparable size to ours, with its own solar system with a earth size planet at almost the exact distance from that sun. But with all of that it does not come close to being a twin. There are way too many other factors needed to have it support rudimentary life, much less intelligent life.  We would have to have the Hubble moved inside of that other solar system to even see if the planet has water, land mass, clouds, an atmosphere, and how fast it turns on its axis. 

Until science evolves enough to be able to find us a planet full of Amazonian women look for men, leave us alone with your “I think we found a twin” claims.  And get back to the task at hand and design a replacement for the shuttle so we don’t have to rely on Russia to get Americans into space.

Actually, much of that information could be obtained without being anywhere near the other solar system.  The current tech that's orbiting overhead can't do it, but it shouldn't require some revolutionary new tech to get most of that info.  The existence of significant amounts of water can be inferred from its effects on the light from the parent star that passes through the atmosphere of the other planet, for example. 

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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2014, 11:23:32 PM »
One of the big problems is not gathering data, it's interpreting.

Technically, Earth should be uninhabitable as it is out of the viable life zone. The only thing that makes it habitable is the huge moon we have that keeps things stirred up.
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Re: Scientists 'Very Close' to Finding Earth's Twin
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2014, 10:09:11 PM »
One of the big problems is not gathering data, it's interpreting.

Technically, Earth should be uninhabitable as it is out of the viable life zone. The only thing that makes it habitable is the huge moon we have that keeps things stirred up.

don't worry, libs/progs are doing their level best to make sure it becomes uninhabitable.


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