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Offline Fishrrman

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Collins: Is This Our Last Independence Day?
« on: July 04, 2014, 12:22:10 PM »

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Re: Collins: Is This Our Last Independence Day?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2014, 01:15:30 PM »
With that sort of attitude - probably.

Running around screaming "The end is nigh" only depresses people and annoys them. There are still planes to catch and bills to pay. And maybe - just maybe - sleeves to be rolled up to do the work that needs doing.

"It's a Republic. If you can keep it."

Note the word choice. You. Not some other sod. You. Now stop with the defeatist BS and get busy.

Fisher - that's to the author, not you, obviously! The day you know what "give up" means, we'll dig the hole.  :beer:
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Re: Collins: Is This Our Last Independence Day?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2014, 01:19:54 PM »
We will survive Obama. But his party should be made to own his disastrous term, for decades.

We should resolve to share our views, with friends, neighbors, workmates alike.
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Re: Collins: Is This Our Last Independence Day?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2014, 03:47:13 PM »
With that sort of attitude - probably.

Running around screaming "The end is nigh" only depresses people and annoys them. There are still planes to catch and bills to pay. And maybe - just maybe - sleeves to be rolled up to do the work that needs doing.

"It's a Republic. If you can keep it."

Note the word choice. You. Not some other sod. You. Now stop with the defeatist BS and get busy.

Fisher - that's to the author, not you, obviously! The day you know what "give up" means, we'll dig the hole.  :beer:

Problem is, it's not a Republic anymore. The 16th Amendment gave the Federal government the permanent right to tax one's income. the 17th provided for the direct election of Senators. the Founders intended neither. The you have successive Supreme Courts that hold the Constitution is a "living document". Nothing could be further from the truth. Two men did more than any other to destroy the Republic.: John Marshall, who gave the USSC powers the Founders never envisaged for it, and Abraham Lincoln, who destroyed the concept of a Federated Republic to save a physical entity. Everybody else's handiwork flows from the 'accomplishments' of either or both of those men.

The Founders were oligarchs. They modeled the Republic on Rome. Rome , as a Republic [for most of the Republic's existence], required the ownership of property for participation in the civic life of the city. So, too, did the early Republic. But somewhere along the way, we've opted for purer and purer democracy. That's Athens. And the Founders and Rome loathed Athens [Rome was, and we were, indirectly, modeled on Sparta]. So now we have battles over Voter ID, same day [as voting registration], write-in pre-voting voting, and voter fraud on a massive scale, and one party that uses some citizens' money to buy the votes of other citizens. About half this country doesn't pay taxes. But they vote. One can roll up one's sleeves. But I'm from New York; I'm a MAJOR League cynic. So when I roll up my right sleeve it enables me to better slap my right inside elbow with my left hand when making a classic Italian gesture. This sucker's just about done. 
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Re: Collins: Is This Our Last Independence Day?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2014, 04:15:49 PM »
America is an idea, as much as it is a place.

Independence is ultimately a choice, and today too many people are making bad decisions, as encouraged by "leaders" who seek not to free them, but to rule them.

I think many are beginning to wake up. Those who love freedom have a duty to help wake them.
Liberalism isn't really about making the world a better place. It's about reassuring the elites that they are good people for wanting to rule over it.

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Re: Collins: Is This Our Last Independence Day?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2014, 05:07:09 PM »
Interesting idea Pz.

I was under the impression that they took the best of everything - Mostly Roman, true, but English, French, 5 Nations, Quaker concensus, Athenian, a hint of Confucianism even, and combined it. It was certainly a new model of governance and is - in it's undiluted form - way ahead of anything ever tried before. They were VERY smart people, and the political philosophy created emboldened the French to go for it themselves when they saw it worked. Louis probably intensely regretted supporting the US right at the end!

Unfortunately, people are people. They prefer power and influence over the ideals.
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