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U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
11:54 AM 07/02/2014

Chuck Ross
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An Oklahoma Congressman who visited an Army base being used to house illegal immigrant children now wonders what the federal government is hiding after he was denied access to the facility.

“There is no excuse for denying a Federal Representative from Oklahoma access to a federal facility in Oklahoma where unaccompanied children are being held,” Rep. Jim Bridenstine said in a statement following his visit Tuesday to Ft. Sill Army base near Lawton.

The Department of Health and Human Services has set up housing at Ft. Sill and two other military bases – Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio and Ventura County Naval Base in Oxnard, Cali. – to house thousands of unaccompanied alien children, or UACs, who were apprehended at the southern U.S. border.

Bridenstine went to Ft. Sill to observe the conditions under which the 1,200 UACs there are living and to find out to whom they would be released.

But when he showed up at the facility, Bridenstine says he was told by a guard with a security unit which calls itself the “Brown Shirts” that he could not observe the children or their living conditions.

When the congressman spoke to a manager and HHS official, he was told he would have to schedule a formal visit for July 21.

“Any Member of Congress should have the legal authority to visit a federal youth detention facility without waiting three weeks,” Bridenstine said in his statement.

Though unable to get inside the facility, Bridenstine described its exterior.

“A new fence has been erected by HHS, completely surrounding the barracks and covered with material to totally obscure the view,” he said, adding that “every gate is chained closed.”

“What are they trying to hide?” Bridenstine asked. “Do they not want the children to speak with Members of Congress?”

The heavy security and limited access Bridenstine observed appears to be common at other HHS facilities. Besides using military bases to house UACs, HHS is exploring other non-military facilities throughout the country.

Fox News reported that staffers with the Baptist Family & Children’s Services, who call themselves the “Brown Shirts” on account of their tan t-shirts, stand watch at the Lackland camp. A counselor at the base there called the atmosphere “submissive” on account of the guards, who forbid contact between the immigrant children and outsiders.

And as The Daily Caller reported last month, HHS created an atmosphere of secrecy when it placed numerous restrictions on members of Congress and staffers who were invited to tour the UAC facility at Ventura County Naval Base. The agency barred attendees from speaking to the children or staff or from taking any pictures. (RELATED: Obama Admin Forbids Lawmakers From Taking Photos Of Illegal Immigrant Facility)

According to the latest official figures, 52,000 UACs and 39,000 parents with children have been apprehended at the border. That number is nearly double the flow of immigrants compared to the same time last year.

The UACs are being transported to Ft. Sill and other facilities because, rather than turning the children away at the border, U.S. immigration policy requires that they be put into the care of HHS while they await deportation proceedings. HHS seeks relatives or sponsors for the UACs. It is unclear what percentage of UACs are returned to their home countries.

Requests for comment submitted to HHS and to Baptist Family & Children’s Services were not returned.

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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2014, 06:16:15 PM »
There was a time in this Country where no Federal employee would dare deny a member of Congress access like this, much less tell him to make an appointment.

The only reason this goes on is because it is tolerated.

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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2014, 08:20:57 PM »
I suggest that Representative Bridenstine return to the base tomorrow -- accompanied by the county sheriff, a contingent of the Oklahoma State police, a squad of the Oklahoma National Guard, and the GOVERNOR of Oklahoma, and then request entry.

Or else the security people would be disarmed, arrested, and removed from the premises.

Folks, it's up to the states now.
Their intervention, even if in conflict with the federals, is the only solution that will stem this tide...
« Last Edit: July 02, 2014, 08:21:16 PM by Fishrrman »

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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2014, 08:57:32 PM »
This is getting creepy.
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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2014, 09:04:50 PM »
I suggest that Representative Bridenstine return to the base tomorrow -- accompanied by the county sheriff, a contingent of the Oklahoma State police, a squad of the Oklahoma National Guard, and the GOVERNOR of Oklahoma, and then request entry.

Or else the security people would be disarmed, arrested, and removed from the premises.

Folks, it's up to the states now.
Their intervention, even if in conflict with the federals, is the only solution that will stem this tide...

That's one hell of an idea.  It would be nice to see just one Congress Critter let 'em drop and take a contingent just like this along with a news crew.  Given Obama's penchant for over-reaching, there's just no telling what they are hiding in there.  Conditions in these facilities could deteriorate so fast that we could have a whole bunch of dead kids on our hands, and soon.


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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2014, 09:06:21 PM »
I suggest that Representative Bridenstine return to the base tomorrow -- accompanied by the county sheriff, a contingent of the Oklahoma State police, a squad of the Oklahoma National Guard, and the GOVERNOR of Oklahoma, and then request entry.

Or else the security people would be disarmed, arrested, and removed from the premises.

Folks, it's up to the states now.
Their intervention, even if in conflict with the federals, is the only solution that will stem this tide...
ditto to what you said
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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2014, 09:39:06 PM »
I suggest that Representative Bridenstine return to the base tomorrow -- accompanied by the county sheriff, a contingent of the Oklahoma State police, a squad of the Oklahoma National Guard, and the GOVERNOR of Oklahoma, and then request entry.

Or else the security people would be disarmed, arrested, and removed from the premises.

Folks, it's up to the states now.
Their intervention, even if in conflict with the federals, is the only solution that will stem this tide...

Hmmm, wasn't there something in that pesky little piece of paper, the Constitution, about the supremacy of federal law?  But why let some ugly little technicality in the Constitution stop a good mob?

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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2014, 09:44:42 PM »
Hmmm, wasn't there something in that pesky little piece of paper, the Constitution, about the supremacy of federal law?  But why let some ugly little technicality in the Constitution stop a good mob?

What are they hiding?  Don't you wonder why they won't allow a US Congressman to visit a facility in his district?

And why, in Austin, nurses and doctors are threatened with ARREST if they talk to the press?

To hell with that.  Make some noise.  This secrecy is nonsense.
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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2014, 09:53:05 PM »
What are they hiding?  Don't you wonder why they won't allow a US Congressman to visit a facility in his district?

And why, in Austin, nurses and doctors are threatened with ARREST if they talk to the press?

To hell with that.  Make some noise.  This secrecy is nonsense.

I'm not saying that what the guards at the center did is right; I think it's wrong and that the Congressman should come back tomorrow with a federal court order and a phalanx of US Marshals.  Coming back with a bunch of state officials is stupid.

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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2014, 10:03:43 PM »
Have conservatives agreed with liberals that we are no longer a country with laws? And all we're arguing about is who has the bigger mob?
The state and local gov'ts have no jurisdiction over a fed'l facility. If those officials show up and make demands, they're no different than any other mob. Where are the people who want to make and enforce laws these days?
(And I already know that none of them are in the WH or their admin.)

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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2014, 10:06:09 PM »
Oceander wrote above:
[[ Hmmm, wasn't there something in that pesky little piece of paper, the Constitution, about the supremacy of federal law?  But why let some ugly little technicality in the Constitution stop a good mob? ]]

Point well taken.

But -- what recourse is left, when the "administration" that is charged with enforcing that "pesky little piece of paper", is -also- a mob? And a mob that seems to be dedicated to undermining what is written on that paper ??

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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2014, 11:08:09 PM »
Have conservatives agreed with liberals that we are no longer a country with laws? And all we're arguing about is who has the bigger mob?
The state and local gov'ts have no jurisdiction over a fed'l facility. If those officials show up and make demands, they're no different than any other mob. Where are the people who want to make and enforce laws these days?
(And I already know that none of them are in the WH or their admin.)

I thought a US Congressman was a federal employee.  WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?????
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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2014, 11:26:38 PM »
I thought a US Congressman was a federal employee.  WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?????

The legislative branch has no power over the executive branch employees.

And we know some of the things they're hiding - the number of kids, their ages and medical conditions, any stories about how they got there (few of them got there on their own)…...

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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2014, 11:50:32 PM »
The legislative branch has no power over the executive branch employees.

And we know some of the things they're hiding - the number of kids, their ages and medical conditions, any stories about how they got there (few of them got there on their own)…...

In what way?  Congress has the power to investigate and the power to order the executive branch via legislation.

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Re: U.S. Congressman Blocked From Entering Child Immigrant Facility
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2014, 12:07:43 AM »
In what way?  Congress has the power to investigate and the power to order the executive branch via legislation.

Yes, Congress has the power to investigate the executive branch and to make legislation governing what they can do, but individual members of the legislative branch do not have the right to give orders to employees of the executive branch. They could call them to the Hill for hearings by a committee, but that's not the same as giving them orders in the workplace.


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