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Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« on: July 02, 2014, 01:33:03 PM »
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2014, 01:46:12 PM »
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2014, 02:38:29 PM »
It was exactly this kind of teary eyed bullshit that got us sucked into Somalia, led directly to the Blackhawk Down incident, and helped reduce Somalia to the anarchistic pirate run disaster that it is today.

How long will it be until we discover the Democratic operatives who recruited these kids??  This did not happen spontaneously, and it has completely overwhelmed the borders and the Border Patrol.  Homeland Security was hiring people in January to deal with this issue specifically, so someone knew they were all coming and when, and we still have not heard a peep about how this all came to be.  Just why did this kid's parents send him off on his own to try and sneak into this Country??  Who convinced them that this was a good idea?? 

There is a lot more to this than just the immediate crisis in front of us.  The crisis is looking more and more like a Classic, textbook example of a Cloward-Pliven strategery to overwhelm a system.  It has worked masterfully and now most of our Border Patrol agents are baby sitting, changing diapers and handing out bottled water to all the kiddies.

And isn't this a marvelous diversion for someone??  The borders have not been this vulnerable in years....

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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2014, 02:48:47 PM »
 :beer: Thank you, Chief. Put far more bluntly and elegantly than any damned useless polietician out there could dream of doing.

The sob storys are coming thick and fast now, and - well - they'll work. The vast majority of Americans are quite simply good hearted people.
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2014, 05:38:05 PM »
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"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2014, 05:43:05 PM »
The crisis is looking more and more like a Classic, textbook example of a Cloward-Pliven strategery to overwhelm a system.

Shouldn't be any doubt that the government of the U.S. is bent on destroying the country...


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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2014, 05:44:50 PM »
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2014, 07:56:56 PM »
All this does is make me mad at his parents and at Obama for causing this all to happen I will never have a bleeding heart but I am good hearted but not to law breakers whatever their age and I am hearing this from a lot of good hearted women and men across this nation we are done with all this law breaking by the illegals coming into this country with the rogue government we have bringing them in.

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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2014, 08:16:50 PM »
Too bad this wasn't there to prevent Gilberto's entry:


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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2014, 09:08:20 PM »
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2014, 09:19:26 PM »
Too bad this wasn't there to prevent Gilberto's entry:


"If it could just save the life of one child, it would be worth it !!!"


Too bad it wouldn't have done a damned thing if it was.  Tunneling under something as flimsy as that could probably be accomplished in a matter of a few days.

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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2014, 08:36:58 AM »
I heard today that a significant portion of US Air Marshals have been diverted to play escort to these kids!
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2014, 09:16:45 AM »
Think about what Pelousy had to say down there last weekend, and you tell me if she is naive or deliberately helping carry out a long-term strategy.

Pelousy is doing just what our masters want done.

Along with the rest of our government... at all levels...

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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2014, 09:20:45 AM »
Shouldn't be any doubt that the government of the U.S. is bent on destroying the country...

You misspelled "Democrats".   :smokin:
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2014, 09:21:33 AM »
You misspelled "Democrats".

Tis not just the Demonrats, my friend.  It would be a mistake to accept that division...


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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2014, 09:38:04 AM »

Too bad it wouldn't have done a damned thing if it was.  Tunneling under something as flimsy as that could probably be accomplished in a matter of a few days.

It would have stopped an 11 year old boy.

Just because a fence wouldn't stop everyone, doesn't mean it wouldn't stop anyone.

Doing nothing is not an option.
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2014, 10:59:19 AM »
It would have stopped an 11 year old boy.

Just because a fence wouldn't stop everyone, doesn't mean it wouldn't stop anyone.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Agreed. Doing nothing is not an option.

Yet the fence wouldn't have stopped him. He didn't wander up to it on his own, he was being actively smuggled by coyotes. I would suggest using the same technique as was used whenever four footed coyotes become a menace. Kill them on sight. Not the victims, who pay through the nose (and through other parts - picking crops is not lucrative, drug dealing and prostitution is) but the smugglers themselves. You just deport the victims.

How many tunnels did the Israeli's uncover while looking for the three missing teens? It was in the dozens, and they were not specifically looking for tunnels.
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2014, 11:36:39 AM »
It would have stopped an 11 year old boy.

Just because a fence wouldn't stop everyone, doesn't mean it wouldn't stop anyone.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Not if those tunnels were already dug it wouldn't.  Go ask the Israelis and Egyptians about how "hard" it is to tunnel under border walls - including massive steel plate and concrete fortifications that go yards underground.

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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2014, 12:02:54 PM »
Not if those tunnels were already dug it wouldn't.  Go ask the Israelis and Egyptians about how "hard" it is to tunnel under border walls - including massive steel plate and concrete fortifications that go yards underground.

Fences are only one part of the entire solution, which even if carried out to the full extent, is clearly not perfect.

That doesn't mean that scoffing at the building of a fence is an appropriate response.

Again.........multiple measures must be used, one of which is a fence.

The Berlin Wall kept a lot of people from being free, didn't it?  You can't say that barriers never work.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2014, 12:09:01 PM »
Passive barriers never work. You require active ones. Sensors and enough people with appropriate equipment to respond to them. Intelligence networks to monitor and predict patterns of movement - that means paid informants and a dedicated staff trained in that sort of analysis.
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2014, 12:15:03 PM »
Passive barriers never work. You require active ones. Sensors and enough people with appropriate equipment to respond to them. Intelligence networks to monitor and predict patterns of movement - that means paid informants and a dedicated staff trained in that sort of analysis.

Passive barriers DO work when used in conjunction with active barriers.

The fence is one of the deterrents.  Sensors, equipment, intelligence, border patrol in addition to fencing.

It will never be flawless, but it will help stem the tide of illegals.

Of course, this administration wants to overwhelm the system, so they've created this mess deliberately.
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2014, 12:35:22 PM »
Of course, this administration wants to overwhelm the system, so they've created this mess deliberately.

Money quote of the thread, right there.

In the UK we have a pretty effective passive barrier. 18 to 200 miles of a rather nasty sea that is in the top three busiest shipping lanes in the world. The only way in is by ferry, private boat, the Channel tunnel or air. All of which have active defenses - navy, customs and immigration, active sensors - heck, they have sensors that can look through the sides of trucks to see if anyone is hiding inside. Yet the buggers still get in. It's frighteningly easy.

A few years ago, we were driving back from the usual trip to Italy for the summer. Stopped to refuel outside Calais (fuel was a lot cheaper in France than in the UK). Picked up a hitchhiker heading for Canterbury, a charming French girl. We went straight through the check points, not a single problem, despite her having no ticket, no passport and minimal English. That were before 9/11 - I think in '97, but still. Makes you think.
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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2014, 05:31:12 PM »
You - personally - would have picked up this kid if you saw him walking down the road while you were driving. Got him a meal, tried to find out where his family were, maybe decided to call the cops or CPS if you thought it were needed. That is good hearted.

Bleeding hearts are different. "Someone has to do something!" they say while wringing their hands. The someone is never them.

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Re: Guatemalan boy left for better life, died alone
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2014, 05:35:11 PM »
Passive barriers never work. You require active ones. Sensors and enough people with appropriate equipment to respond to them. Intelligence networks to monitor and predict patterns of movement - that means paid informants and a dedicated staff trained in that sort of analysis.

You know those drone pilots?  They could be active on the border.  And the US could put in active sensors like they have around area 51 - IF THEY WANTED TO.  That fence is for show only, a monument to useful idiots.
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"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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