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Offline rangerrebew

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« on: July 01, 2014, 06:00:57 AM »
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2014, 07:03:40 AM »
And medical researchers have vowed to eradicate cancer.

It'll never happen. To continue the cancer analogy for a bit - an actual cure would cost whoever develops it more in the long run. Following the "money" shows that a peaceful resolution is never going to happen - both sides need the conflict to stay in power and pull in funds. Hamas/Fatah is pretty much dependant on bailouts. Israel is less so - it's a beautiful, fertile and productive high tech country - but it's damned small in both the geographical sense and in the sense there are more people in London during the day than in the entire nation.

To have a high tech nation you need raw materials. Israel is rich in history, but resource poor, so anything which reduces raw materials cost is a good thing.
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2014, 09:53:28 AM »
At least his non achievable claims are more manlike than Obama's! :Odance:
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2014, 10:28:29 AM »
Israel has had many opportunities to drive all Arabs out of the borders. They chose not to do it for primarily two reasons. One is perception. They want to be liked and they truely wanted to coexist with the Arabs and get along with them. And two, they wanted cheap labor. At one point the Arabs were like Mexicans are in America. They did all the work and all the construction.
 
There is a new apartment complex going up near where I live. I never see a White person over there. As far as I can see, it is 100% Mexicans. That is how it was with Arabs in Israel in the 70's. But it was calm and peaceful. Arabs used to be nannies for Israelies if you can believe that. That is unthinkable today.
 
Then, Jimmah Caatah came along and like any Liberal, decided to "fix" the world from his perspective, and basically f***ed up the whole M.E. He worked to convince the Arabs that they were 'agrieved', and convinced them that they need 'their' land back. Then he destroyed Iran, installed a vicious, brutal, totalitarian Islam regime and esentially ushered in the era of Islam terror and militancy, which we still live in today.
 
We are seeing the same thing happening in Germany, Britan, and America. Foreign nationals are invited in as cheap labor but then eventually become militant and dissatisfied, and then begin to demand 'special' rights. They then become a protected underclass, a consolidated group within a State, and then become a 5th column.
 
The current state of Israel demonstrates the culmination of this process. But this is where we are heading eventually.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2014, 10:48:12 AM »
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Thank you. Always better to hear facts from someone who has been there and lived there. Sure - it's not 100%, you can't see or hear everything, but it's a lot more solid than speculation.

FWIW, my cousins would broadly agree, though they don't blame all the problems on Carter. There were a rise of more, I don't know, militant Israelis at the same time? Kids, basically, who grew up with the legacy of the 6 Days War ass kicking Israel handed out and were of military service age when Carter decided to stir the pot.
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