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« Last Edit: June 27, 2014, 06:47:48 AM by rangerrebew »
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Re: US military personnel forced to submit to the sharia during Ramadan
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 07:19:31 AM »
It's something most people would call being polite.

Not letting people who can not eat due to religious obligations see you eating during the day is normal. Nothing exotic. It's like not eating in public from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday if you are working with Jews. Or suffering through usually terribly cooked fish on Fridays. Or skipping pork, bacon and shellfish.

No biggie, in other words. Well - except for the bacon.That looms large.
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Re: US military personnel forced to submit to the sharia during Ramadan
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 09:32:12 AM »
It's something most people would call being polite.

Not letting people who can not eat due to religious obligations see you eating during the day is normal. Nothing exotic. It's like not eating in public from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday if you are working with Jews. Or suffering through usually terribly cooked fish on Fridays. Or skipping pork, bacon and shellfish.

No biggie, in other words. Well - except for the bacon.That looms large.

When in Rome do as the Romans do.  However, expecting non-Muslim troops to engage in these activities while on-base and/or in private is going too far.  Engaging in the easy formalities when in public is just common courtesy; it's another thing entirely when it's forced on non-muslims when not in public.

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Re: US military personnel forced to submit to the sharia during Ramadan
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 10:09:15 AM »

It's something most people would call being polite.


No, it's what most people recognize as being intimidated or bullied into submission.

Being polite would be the muzzies letting others carry on...


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Re: US military personnel forced to submit to the sharia during Ramadan
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 10:13:17 AM »
Sort of yes and no.

If you are based on your own, do as you want to. It's no harm, no foul.

If you are co-based, you need to consider your bunkmates. We head out, before we go, St.Micheal's prayer is said. Everyone says it. Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Atheist - ever single person recites the prayer. It's polite.
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Re: US military personnel forced to submit to the sharia during Ramadan
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 10:33:46 AM »
Sort of yes and no.

If you are based on your own, do as you want to. It's no harm, no foul.

If you are co-based, you need to consider your bunkmates. We head out, before we go, St.Micheal's prayer is said. Everyone says it. Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Atheist - ever single person recites the prayer. It's polite.

Yep, and the moslems don't 'consider their bunkmates' or they wouldn't intimidate people into participating in their 'laws'...

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Re: US military personnel forced to submit to the sharia during Ramadan
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2014, 03:29:37 PM »
Will muslims be forced to exchange Christmas gifts Dec. 25?  You know they won't so where is the tolerance on their part?
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Re: US military personnel forced to submit to the sharia during Ramadan
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2014, 03:34:05 PM »
It's something most people would call being polite.

Not letting people who can not eat due to religious obligations see you eating during the day is normal. Nothing exotic. It's like not eating in public from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday if you are working with Jews. Or suffering through usually terribly cooked fish on Fridays. Or skipping pork, bacon and shellfish.

No biggie, in other words. Well - except for the bacon.That looms large.

Hate to point this out, but that kind of prevailing opinion is why you have muslims running rampant in British neighborhoods.  Next up, your good muzzie neighbor will start broadcasting the Muzzin's call to prayer five times a day over loudspeakers.

Slippery slope.  Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.

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Re: US military personnel forced to submit to the sharia during Ramadan
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2014, 03:52:51 PM »
Yep, and the moslems don't 'consider their bunkmates' or they wouldn't intimidate people into participating in their 'laws'...

And you, of course, would never dream of doing that. That's why Arabs are perfectly free in the ME to follow their ancient laws, tribal allegiances and boundaries.

The oldest rule for testing the fairness of something is to turn it about. If you wish to live under your own laws and customs in your own country, that's fine. Insisting that if they move in they follow the laws is also fine. Just don't expect people in a completely different country to change their laws and customs to suit you.

We are stuck with Muslims. Full stop, unless Obama actually did something right with the whole NASA outreach thing. I don't think the two cultures can mix well, nor should they. A few souls can - I have mentioned that before too, based on personal respect and walking more carefully than a 9 tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs - but in general, it's a no. The values are too far apart, and even the shared values are interpreted differently.

You simply can not kill or forcibly convert a billion people to your own way of thinking. So you need to think in terms of isolation, or working on common ground and trying not to throw more sand in the gears than you need to.
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Re: US military personnel forced to submit to the sharia during Ramadan
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 01:19:04 PM »

The oldest rule for testing the fairness of something is to turn it about. If you wish to live under your own laws and customs in your own country, that's fine. Insisting that if they move in they follow the laws is also fine. Just don't expect people in a completely different country to change their laws and customs to suit you.


Exactly, and the Muslims always comply when 'forced' to adhere the the customs and laws of countries where they are in the minority.  Oops, they don't.  They want to live under their own sharia law, no matter what country they are in and force you to live under their law when in their country.  It's obviously a one-way street w/ them.

Your own arguments keep working against you but you simply refuse to admit it...


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