Author Topic: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to  (Read 325 times)

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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 11:42:02 PM »
very interesting article; thanks for posting it!

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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2014, 02:37:46 AM »
The only reason Princip was able to shoot is he got hungry after the failed attempt and went for a sandwich, accidentally putting him in the right place at the right time.
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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2014, 08:32:33 AM »
they wanted to crush Balkan Serbian nationalism with violence.

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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2014, 10:09:36 AM »
The only reason Princip was able to shoot is he got hungry after the failed attempt and went for a sandwich, accidentally putting him in the right place at the right time.

fair enough, but if he'd gone to a different deli and missed out entirely, someone else would have been in the right place at the right time some sort time later on.

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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2014, 10:41:09 AM »
This last point is critical. Some wars are the work of demonic figures like Hitler. Yet geopolitical catastrophe may also result from the pedestrian flaws of men who resort to violence as a means of advancing their own self-interest or that of ruling elites. Regrettably, such men still hold power in numerous capitals.

I think that ambitious men in positions of power are merely the tools that are used by the real perpetrators...


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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2014, 10:46:31 AM »
The only reason Princip was able to shoot is he got hungry after the failed attempt and went for a sandwich, accidentally putting him in the right place at the right time.

Yep, and Oswald just happened to work at the Texas School Book Depository which was coincidentally along the altered motorcade route that JFK was taken down and Ruby just happened to be in the basement of the Dallas Police Department when Oswald walked by...


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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2014, 10:51:34 AM »
"The Great War" marked the conflict of Old European military and modern weaponry.  The British were notorious for sending massive waves of men bearing rifles against machine guns.  The British Army learned about rifles the hard way when they sent troops armed with muskets against South African Boers who were raised from the time they could shoulder a Mauser rifle, how to hunt big game out on the veldt....those nice red British uniforms made dandy targets from well outside musket range.

A lot of Europe did not understand the meaning of real war.  They were caught up in the military splendor of fancy uniforms, Officers astride their horses wearing a fancy plumed hat, bearing a sabre and leading foot troops against military technology they could scarcely understand, much less afford to purchase.  The most dangerous men in WWI were the leaders of troops who led their troops to slaughter from pure ignorance our outright incompetence disguised as suicidal bravado.  Throughout history armies have led countless "forlorn hope" charges into the breach, and that mentality was finally purged from the British Army the hard way...

Complicated issue with many overlapping and often conflicting points of discussion....

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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2014, 10:55:48 AM »
I think that ambitious men in positions of power are merely the tools that are used by the real perpetrators...

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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2014, 11:47:43 AM »
I think that ambitious men in positions of power are merely the tools that are used by the real perpetrators...





and who were the "real perpetrators" in WWI?

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Re: History: The Great War happened because dangerous men wanted it to
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2014, 11:49:57 AM »
"The Great War" marked the conflict of Old European military and modern weaponry.  The British were notorious for sending massive waves of men bearing rifles against machine guns.  The British Army learned about rifles the hard way when they sent troops armed with muskets against South African Boers who were raised from the time they could shoulder a Mauser rifle, how to hunt big game out on the veldt....those nice red British uniforms made dandy targets from well outside musket range.

A lot of Europe did not understand the meaning of real war.  They were caught up in the military splendor of fancy uniforms, Officers astride their horses wearing a fancy plumed hat, bearing a sabre and leading foot troops against military technology they could scarcely understand, much less afford to purchase.  The most dangerous men in WWI were the leaders of troops who led their troops to slaughter from pure ignorance our outright incompetence disguised as suicidal bravado.  Throughout history armies have led countless "forlorn hope" charges into the breach, and that mentality was finally purged from the British Army the hard way...

Complicated issue with many overlapping and often conflicting points of discussion....

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Sort of like the old canard about generals fighting the last war, but on steroids (the canard, that is).  Military leaders who cut their teeth on the older means of warfare who are unwilling to give up the comforts of what they know for the harsh rigors of reality.


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