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"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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So like the Hildebeest is telling us, we need to accept both ideas: Closing Guantanamo Bay and substituting the USS Guantanamo Bay New York.........

This used to be called "double-speak" but has now become an accepted Dhimmie discussion point.

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whatever they get out of any interrogation cannot be used in court, and anything derived from what they get out of him will also be excluded as fruit of the poisonous tree.

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He's not a US citizen. He has no rights.
I wonder when the lies will stop and truth begin, even as grim as the truth may be. And then I remember that for 70 years, the reign of terror in Russia called itself "the people's government." We have so far to fall, yet we are falling fast and Hell yawns to receive us.

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"The Obama administration is using the USS New York as a floating interrogation cell"

Bull. They're not interrogating him, they're prepping him.
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He's not a US citizen. He has no rights.

Really, Ford? Would that be a universal declaration, or only applicable to none US citizens?

If you got rights, he's got rights.
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In October 2010, the FBI issued a guidance for how to apply this "public safety exemption" to terrorism suspects. The memo noted that "an arrest of an operational terrorist may warrant significantly more public safety interrogation" than ordinary criminal cases.

 http://www.businessinsider.com/why-didnt-boston-suspect-get-miranda-2013-4#ixzz35FwRGNmR
http://www.justice.gov/oip/docs/ag-memo-miranda-rights.pdf

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It was the Obama administration that got so uppity over troops not giving Jihadist's their Miranda Rights, they REQUIRED them to be given.  Now they are avoiding them?  I can't believe that of this administration. :3:
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Here's how it goes.....
The participants:
Obama CIA Clone (HCIAC)
Terrorist (Achmed)
Barack Obama (Zero)

HCIAC: Look Achmed, I don't care that you did it. What we want to make sure is that when you testify you make DAMN sure that you say it was a video that inflamed you. Do you understand?
Achmed: WHAT video?
HCIAC: The anti muslum video. The one thast's going to get you out of this thing totally FREE.
Achmed:Oh, THAT video. Yes, I remember it well. Praise allah!

epilogue:
Zero: Is our boy properly prepped?
HCIAC: Yessiree chief. Just as you said.
Zero: Tell him his money is in a Swiss bank account. He can't access it until after he testifies.
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Really, Ford? Would that be a universal declaration, or only applicable to none US citizens?

If you got rights, he's got rights.
US citizens have inherent rights rights under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If he is given the same rights as I, as a US citizen have, we might as well give him an obamaphone, and a set of spinners for his goatmobile.
At this point, he is nothing more than an enemy combatant.
Using the same thought process, we should give free healthcare, schooling, DL, SS, to illegal aliens also.

Oh....wait-a-minute............................... :whistle:
I wonder when the lies will stop and truth begin, even as grim as the truth may be. And then I remember that for 70 years, the reign of terror in Russia called itself "the people's government." We have so far to fall, yet we are falling fast and Hell yawns to receive us.

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Really, Ford? Would that be a universal declaration, or only applicable to none US citizens?

If you got rights, he's got rights.

Depends on what "rights" you're talking about; the word "rights" in the abstract is meaningless, it signifies nothing.

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If he is given the same rights as I, as a US citizen have, we might as well give him an obamaphone, and a set of spinners for his goatmobile.
At this point, he is nothing more than an enemy combatant.
Using the same thought process, we should give free healthcare, schooling, DL, SS, to illegal aliens also.

Oh....wait-a-minute............................... :whistle:

He was given the same rights as you. He was born. Rights do not come from the government, they are inherent and inalienable in every single person, thanks to the Creator. You know that - you spent long enough fighting for the idea and ideal. 

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

No geographical limit placed on that. :tongue2:

One of the most moving documents is the original version on the UN's universal declaration of human rights. It's basically the codification from the Constitution, the Bill of Rights (and seemingly a bit of Freemasonry that got tucked in when someone got tired).

If Abu al-Dickhead is being tried under US law, he gets the same protections as anyone else. If he is tried under international law, he's going to get pretty much the same protections, without the self incrimination clause. If he's tried under Libyan law, he gets a bullet to the head and a chain around his waist about mid Atlantic.

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EC, we can agree to disagree. I've been involved overseas long enough to realize that those who would demand our inherent rights are the same ones who wouldn't hesitate to execute our families. Heck, it happens in this very country under our own government.


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Rights do not come from the government, they are inherent and inalienable in every single person, thanks to the Creator.
His creator or my creator? There seems to be a difference.


I wonder when the lies will stop and truth begin, even as grim as the truth may be. And then I remember that for 70 years, the reign of terror in Russia called itself "the people's government." We have so far to fall, yet we are falling fast and Hell yawns to receive us.

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EC, we can agree to disagree. I've been involved overseas long enough to realize that those who would demand our inherent rights are the same ones who wouldn't hesitate to execute our families. Heck, it happens in this very country under our own government.

His creator or my creator? There seems to be a difference.

 :beer: Of course we can! One of the nicer things here - good people, fascinating convos and no one gets really bent out shape by a disagreement. We're all adults and act that way! Well, unless we get silly and start posting pictures of redheads.  :laugh:

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:beer: Well, unless we get silly and start posting pictures of redheads.  :laugh:



You had to go there, didn't you!



Of course, we should start a new thread now
I wonder when the lies will stop and truth begin, even as grim as the truth may be. And then I remember that for 70 years, the reign of terror in Russia called itself "the people's government." We have so far to fall, yet we are falling fast and Hell yawns to receive us.

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The US Constitution does not grant non-resident aliens (i.e., foreigners in foreign lands) the same rights nor degrees of protection, that it affords US citizens (at home and abroad) or resident aliens.

That is a simple fact of the matter, regardless of what anyone might wish.


With respect to the source of an individual's rights:  as a general proposition they may very well be endowed by the Creator; nonetheless, the Creator has left it to Caesar to and the various human governments to sketch out the precise details of those rights and how they'll be enforced.
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