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« on: June 20, 2014, 06:52:40 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2014, 10:33:58 AM »
And this is one of those voting blocs we're supposed to reach out to?
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2014, 11:28:11 AM »
And this is one of those voting blocs we're supposed to reach out to?

I think we should reach out and touch these folks in a meaningful way.  I think the Bronx would be a great place to dock the USS New Yawk, and conduct a public trial of that Libyan scum right there onboard the ship.  Charlie Rangle has no problem shutting down Gitmo, or supporting the complete lack of leadership anywhere in the world, so I think his long record qualifies Charlie for the single honor of trying a terrorist common criminal right there in his District.

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2014, 11:43:06 AM »
And this is one of those voting blocs we're supposed to reach out to?

If "we" don't they'll always vote against us.

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2014, 01:30:03 PM »
If "we" don't they'll always vote against us.
It seems "they" are deadset voting against "us" either way. They won't even vote for a Democrat who isn't one of them.

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2014, 01:50:05 PM »
It seems "they" are deadset voting against "us" either way. They won't even vote for a Democrat who isn't one of them.


Considering that "they" are constantly denigrated by "us" (double entendre intended) and that other than a few here and there most GOP'ers never set foot in one of "their" neighborhoods unless it's to decry crime and welfare cheats, why on Earth would "they" have any real interest in voting for "us"?  Thomas Sowell and Marcus Lloyd are ample proof that "they" are not congenitally incapable of understanding the values "us" claim to support (tho' often that support is in name only) provided that those values are explained in a way that points out how those values align with their own self interest.

The contrary would actually hold a drop of water or two if there had been a strong, long-term course of active campaigning by all manner of republicans in black neighborhoods that had yielded no success whatsoever.  Since that necessary premise is missing, the conclusion drawn cannot stand.

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2014, 02:45:50 PM »
I think we should reach out and touch these folks in a meaningful way.  I think the Bronx would be a great place to dock the USS New Yawk, and conduct a public trial of that Libyan scum right there onboard the ship.  Charlie Rangle has no problem shutting down Gitmo, or supporting the complete lack of leadership anywhere in the world, so I think his long record qualifies Charlie for the single honor of trying a terrorist common criminal right there in his District.

You're welcome, Congressman.

Problem is, statistically, a Bronx jury would walk him.

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2014, 03:27:16 PM »
Thomas Sowell and Marcus Lloyd are ample proof that "they" are not congenitally incapable of understanding the values "us" claim to support (tho' often that support is in name only) provided that those values are explained in a way that points out how those values align with their own self interest.
Have you ever looked at racial voting patterns?

You go into a white district and you get 55-45.

A Hispanic district, 65-35.

Asian districts aren't really predictable yet since there aren't really all that many to draw on.

But a black district almost always goes at least 85-15 to the incumbent black Democrat, no matter how corrupt or incompetent they may be (and we all know Rangel's issues). I have seen it time and time again, and you're seeing the phenomenon clearly in this race.

Just because you have a Lloyd Marcus or a Sowell among that fifteen doesn't discredit the ironclad stubbornness of the other 85. Heck, look at the Presidential election of '08, where otherwise reliable Republicans voted for Obama. 98%, by some estimates, and that included Bush administration officials!

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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2014, 09:03:40 PM »
Sadly, blacks have become slaves to the Democrat party.  They are right back on the plantation and were put there starting with LBJ and the Great Society/War on Poverty.

There really is nothing Republicans can do to get them to vote anything but Democrat.

A black guy I work with voted for Obama twice and wishes he could run again, simply because of the color of his skin.

I once asked him about 20 or so different political positions and if he supported any of them.  He said yes to only 1.  Obama supported all 20, but it didn't matter.  Obama is 1/4 black, and looks it, so that is enough to get their votes.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2014, 09:13:59 PM »
Have you ever looked at racial voting patterns?

You go into a white district and you get 55-45.

A Hispanic district, 65-35.

Asian districts aren't really predictable yet since there aren't really all that many to draw on.

But a black district almost always goes at least 85-15 to the incumbent black Democrat, no matter how corrupt or incompetent they may be (and we all know Rangel's issues). I have seen it time and time again, and you're seeing the phenomenon clearly in this race.

Just because you have a Lloyd Marcus or a Sowell among that fifteen doesn't discredit the ironclad stubbornness of the other 85. Heck, look at the Presidential election of '08, where otherwise reliable Republicans voted for Obama. 98%, by some estimates, and that included Bush administration officials!


There has been so precious little attempts to actually reach black communities on a level of equality, rather than speaking down to them, that all of this willingness to simply write blacks off as being congenitally democrat are suspect.  They represent laziness, habit, and an unwillingness to try and break things down into so-called kitchen-table issues and try to explain to them why, despite the apparent negatives of republican policies, in the long run black communities will be better off.

Black people are not stupid - they're exactly like you and me - but to-date republicans and the GOP haven't done jack-sh*t to show them that the bogey-men created by the democrats are false.

Obviously things aren't going to change overnight, but change has to start someplace and that place ought to be a concerted effort to get the GOP permanently engaged in black communities - republican community activists/organizers - even though the fruits of that labor will be a long time coming.  After all, how the h*ll do you think the democrats did it in the first place, considering that they're the party of the KKK?  It didn't happen overnight.

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