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IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’

Posted By Stephen Kruiser On June 18, 2014 @ 7:23 pm In Corruption,News,Politics | 7 Comments


Recycled.


Ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s crashed hard drive has been recycled, making it likely the lost emails of the lightening rod in the tea party targeting controversy will never be found, according to multiple sources.

“We’ve been informed that the hard drive has been thrown away,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, in a brief hallway interview.

Two additional sources told POLITICO the same late on Wednesday, citing IRS officials.

It may just be standard government procedure, but the revelation is significant because some lawmakers and observers thought there was a way that tech experts could revive Lerner’s emails after they were washed away in a computer crash in the summer of 2011. Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), for example, subpoenaed her damaged hard drive earlier this week, when he asked for “all hard drives, external drives, thumb drives, and computers” and “all electronic communication devices the IRS issued to Lois G. Lerner.”

“The computer crashed!”

“The computer is gone!”

“Lois Lerner? Never heard of her.”

Four year-olds can make up better stories than this. I don’t care how long it takes but I hope at least one or two Republicans stay focused on this until somebody fries for it.


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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2014, 08:05:02 AM »
The NSA has everything we need.

Subpoena them.
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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2014, 08:50:09 AM »
The NSA has everything we need.

Subpoena them.

Nah, they only keep the stuff they'll really need - like our phone calls, emails, etc.  I guarantee the NSA has already "lost" Lerner's emails too. 
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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2014, 09:06:11 AM »

Email is stored on the mail server, not on the individual C: drives of the user.  The mail server is backed up, usually to tape and usually forever.

If the IRS doesn't have Lerner's emails, it's because they deleted them...

I'm sure that Issa understands that.  This is just theatre...


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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2014, 09:14:34 AM »
Email is stored on the mail server, not on the individual C: drives of the user.  The mail server is backed up, usually to tape and usually forever.

If the IRS doesn't have Lerner's emails, it's because they deleted them...

I'm sure that Issa understands that.  This is just theatre...

That's the thing.  I'm getting a little tired of "going to the theatre" myself.  That's all I ever see my gov't do anymore, is theatre.  Both sides.  What they're doing is running the clock out while they look like they're actually doing something. 

What's happening increasingly, is that these "actors" are not putting out Oscar-worthy performances anymore - they're rich and fat and hardly have to try very hard - because they know that they will get away with it, time after time. 

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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2014, 09:25:33 AM »
That's the thing.  I'm getting a little tired of "going to the theatre" myself.  That's all I ever see my gov't do anymore, is theatre.  Both sides.  What they're doing is running the clock out while they look like they're actually doing something. 

What's happening increasingly, is that these "actors" are not putting out Oscar-worthy performances anymore - they're rich and fat and hardly have to try very hard - because they know that they will get away with it, time after time.


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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2014, 09:31:03 AM »
We already KNOW what the problem is and we know what the solution is so why are we screwing around with this kind of crap instead of implementing the solution!

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Exactly Bigun.  This whole hearing is a joke - and the IRS is treating it as a joke.  The IRS is picking it's nose on camera and flinging the booger at us!  (Sorry for the visual - but that's what they're doing!)

The IRS has become an agency with too much power and no one to hold them accountable.  Where is the leadership to start the process of abolishing the IRS once and for all - and creating a fair method of taxation - and that all-important accompaniment REPRESENTATION?

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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2014, 11:11:34 PM »
alice wrote above:
[[ Nah, they only keep the stuff they'll really need - like our phone calls, emails, etc.  I guarantee the NSA has already "lost" Lerner's emails too. ]]

I wouldn't be surprised if the NSA (under orders from Obama or Valerie) actually provided IRS with the destination of every email sent from Lerner's computer.

This way, IRS could trace down every document, and get the word to those who had the emails, that if they knew what was good for them, they'd better delete their copies, and any backups of the copies they had.

I sense, however, that somewhere, a few individuals in possession of incriminating emails decided that maybe they'd better tuck away a copy of same safely. Kind of like "Monica's dress".

The hard task will be tracking those few people down, and perhaps even harder, persuading them to come forth with what they know...
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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2014, 11:16:42 PM »
The worst part of the IRS scandal is that unless you watch Fox News you don't know a thing about it!

The Networks and the AP REFUSE to cover it!

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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2014, 03:24:41 AM »
IRS Commissioner, in March: Lerner's Emails Are 'Stored in Servers'
Guy Benson | Jun 16, 2014

In one of the Obama administration's most shameless weekend news dumps, the IRS claimed on Friday afternoon that a hard drive glitch erased many of Lois Lerner's emails sent between 2009 and 2011. The Associated Press reports that Congressional Republicans are irate over this tardy and dodgy "disclosure," which is sure to catapult the IRS targeting scandal back into the spotlight:


 Congressional investigators are fuming over revelations that the Internal Revenue Service has lost a trove of emails to and from a central figure in the agency's tea party controversy. The IRS said Lois Lerner's computer crashed in 2011, wiping out an untold number of emails that were being sought by congressional investigators. The investigators want to see all of Lerner's emails from 2009 to 2013 as part of their probe into the way agents handled applications for tax-exempt status by tea party and other conservative groups...Congressional investigators have shown that IRS officials in Washington were closely involved in the handling of tea party applications, many of which languished for more than a year without action. But so far, they have not publicly produced evidence that anyone outside the agency directed the targeting or even knew about it. If anyone in the Obama administration outside the agency was involved, investigators were hoping for clues in Lerner's emails. 

But many of those emails are supposedly "lost" forever because of an alleged technological crash, about which investigators are just now  being informed. Thousands of her messages have been recovered -- just not the ones Lerner would have sent to officials outside the IRS:

The IRS said technicians went to great lengths trying to recover data from Lerner's computer in 2011. In emails provided by the IRS, technicians said they sent the computer to a forensic lab run by the agency's criminal investigations unit. But to no avail. The IRS was able to generate 24,000 Lerner emails from the 2009 to 2011 because Lerner had copied in other IRS employees. The agency said it pieced together the emails from the computers of 82 other IRS employees. But an untold number are gone. Camp's office said the missing emails are mainly ones to and from people outside the IRS, "such as the White House, Treasury, Department of Justice, FEC, or Democrat offices." 

What a remarkable coincidence. Correspondence that could potentially reveal a wider conspiracy to use the enforcement power of the federal government to target, harass and punish conservative groups has been irreversibly "lost," so the agency's compliance with Congressional subpoenas will necessarily be incomplete. Oh, and the time frame just happens to align with the period in which the targeting practices were first initiated. Problem: The current IRS commissioner testified under oath in March that agency emails are "stored in servers." This entire exchange with Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) is worth watching, as John Koskinen serves up excuses for why the IRS has been so slow to turn over requested materials to Congress -- but the key bit begins about 90 seconds in:

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Chaffetz: What email system do you use there at the IRS?

Koskinen: What email system do we use?

Chaffetz: Yeah, is it Outlook, or…

Koskinen: Yes, we have actually Microsoft -- or at least I have -- Microsoft Outlook.

Chaffetz: So you go on there, and you want to find all of the items you sent under your name, how long would that take?

Koskinen: Well it'd take awhile because they're not all on my computer. They're all stored somewhere. 

[Skipping ahead]

Chaffetz: That's [part] of the brilliance of the email system. You go in and you check the 'sent' box, and the inbox, and you suddenly have all of the emails, correct?

Koskinen: Right. They get taken off and stored in servers



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Based on these answers, those emails should be backed up somewhere on servers, making it utterly implausible that Lerner's so-called computer crash could have permanently deleted any of her messages. Ed Morrissey notes, "the relevant files would be kept on the servers or on backup media, which would have data for the whole organization and not just a single user…[that's] especially true in organizations that require data storage and full retrieval capacity by statute — such as federal agencies like the IRS." The Blaze tracked down an IT expert who's worked for both the government and Microsoft, who lists six reasons why the agency's story defies credibility. He concludes, “I don’t know of any email administrator that doesn’t have at least three ways of getting that mail back...There are at least three ways the government can get those emails.” As a reminder, some of Lerner's not-lost emails indicate that the IRS coordinated with the Justice Department (perhaps illegally) over potential criminal prosecutions of conservative groups and likely shared information with Congressional Democrats, in spite of previous denials. Lerner separately joked (?) about leaving the agency to take a job with President Obama's political organization, causing co-workers to speculate over whether she was serious. What might be lurking in her "disappeared" emails? The IRS says we'll never know, which doesn't sit well with National Journal's Ron Fournier:

A sloppy mistake, the government calls it, but you couldn't blame a person for suspecting a cover-up -- the loss of an untold number of emails to and from the central figure in the IRS tea party controversy. And, because the public's trust is a fragile gift that the White House has frittered away in a series of second-term missteps, President Obama needs to act. If the IRS can't find the emails, maybe a special prosecutor can...The White House is stonewalling the IRS investigation. The most benign explanation is that Obama's team is politically expedient and arrogant, which makes them desperate to change the subject, and convinced of their institutional innocence. That's bad enough. But without a fiercely independent investigation, we shouldn't assume the explanation is benign.

 The White House has sneeringly dismissed the IRS scandal "phony," with the president asserting that the agency is free of even "a smidgen of corruption."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/06/16/flashback-video-irs-commissioner-testified-lerners-emails-are-stored-in-servers-n1851831
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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2014, 09:59:52 AM »

The Blaze tracked down an IT expert who's worked for both the government and Microsoft, who lists six reasons why the agency's story defies credibility. He concludes, “I don’t know of any email administrator that doesn’t have at least three ways of getting that mail back...There are at least three ways the government can get those emails.”


Yep, this is exactly correct.  Whether her computer crashed or not is irrelevant to the issue.

The IRS is lying and 'Con'-gress knows it...


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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2014, 10:32:23 AM »
The dog ate her hard drive?
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Re: IRS Officials: ‘Oops, Lerner’s Hard Drive Is Gone Too’
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2014, 12:37:04 AM »
Yep, this is exactly correct.  Whether her computer crashed or not is irrelevant to the issue.

The IRS is lying and 'Con'-gress knows it...

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