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« on: June 19, 2014, 01:04:35 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2014, 01:46:00 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2014, 02:21:28 AM »
There is only one way those emails could be 'gone forever', and that is if the equivalent of a surgical strike were made on the backups. My forty years in the field tells me that this is what happened. Hell, everyone knows they're lying, but as long as they control the data (and they always will), nothing will be found and nothing will happen to anyone at the IRS. Having said that, I would hate to be in Ms Lerner's shoes these days. If the administration even thinks she's about ready to spill the beans, she's a dead gal walking. Also, I'm sure there are lots of people out there who would love to run into her at the grocery store.

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2014, 04:18:32 AM »
There is only one way those emails could be 'gone forever', and that is if the equivalent of a surgical strike were made on the backups. My forty years in the field tells me that this is what happened. Hell, everyone knows they're lying, but as long as they control the data (and they always will), nothing will be found and nothing will happen to anyone at the IRS. Having said that, I would hate to be in Ms Lerner's shoes these days. If the administration even thinks she's about ready to spill the beans, she's a dead gal walking. Also, I'm sure there are lots of people out there who would love to run into her at the grocery store.

Either their at the backups in IRS or in the backups at Microsoft. Data Replication is the golden strategy behind them.Companies cannot afford to lose their data.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2014, 01:13:42 PM »
I would expect that there were in place at that time, rigid federal rules and regulations concerning the proper backups of email and other electronically stored data.

I think the primary objective of her delays is to run the clock out for Obama.

In fact running out the clock, seems to be their m strategy. One might think the opposition party, with many lawyers and career government experts and employees, could figure out some entry point to reach them. ain
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2014, 01:55:26 PM »
Perhaps we should contract the work out to the hackers who seem so adept at cracking systems?  Then again, the Chinese have compromised enough government systems over the last few years that they might have copies of her emails.

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2014, 02:33:52 AM »
Perhaps we should contract the work out to the hackers who seem so adept at cracking systems?  Then again, the Chinese have compromised enough government systems over the last few years that they might have copies of her emails.

Then Congress issue an subpoena to have a group of ITs from the FBI or from the Department of Justice to look into the matter?

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2014, 10:36:59 AM »
LIOIS LERNER'S EMAILS LIKELY GONE FOREVER...

Along with the Rule of Law, Accountability, and Justice...

Now they don't even pretend to be non-corrupt.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2014, 10:50:51 AM »
Google "Lerner Hard Drive".

Go ahead.

See any mainstream media coverage there (other than FOX)?

Nope.

And so, down the memory hole it will go, along with our freedom. 

Liberalism isn't really about making the world a better place. It's about reassuring the elites that they are good people for wanting to rule over it.

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2014, 08:59:01 PM »
Securely Deleting E-mail.

http://ask-leo.com/how_do_i_securely_delete_email.html

Even if the data for a "deleted" file is overwritten, a skilled forensic examiner with the right tools still has a pretty good chance of extracting a goodly portion of that file's data.  For example, even though digital data is binary - 0 or 1 - the disk in a hard disk is an analog system: atoms that are either pointing more or less in one direction - interpreted as "0" - or more or less in the opposite direction - interpreted as "1".  When a digital bit on a hard drive is changed from 0 to 1, or vice versa, the atoms that represent that bit are "turned" but the "turning" isn't usually a perfect 180 degrees.  Oftentimes, the "turning" is just enough so that the atoms point just closely enough to be read as either a 1 or a 0, depending on whether the now-overwritten data was a 0 or 1, respectively.  "Bare metal" analysis - where a forensic examiner goes right down to examine the physical structure of the disk itself - can find "bit" groups of atoms that are right at the edge of the line between "0" and "1"; an atom in that position is more likely than not to have been just flipped - i.e., the data overwritten - and so the data retrieved from the disk can be analyzed to see if treating that bit as having the other value makes the recovered data more coherent.  Of course, this sort of forensic work is horribly expensive, and it doesn't always work; however, and here's a scary aspect, it can be used to recover data from disks that have been physically damaged by, for example, being broken into pieces.  That means that even taking a hammer to a hard drive doesn't completely wipe the data off the face of the Earth; for that, the disk needs to be melted down.

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2014, 09:05:46 PM »
The overarching question is why?  Why would someone go to such lengths knowing that reaction it would cause?  But perhaps even more important is - who?  Who are they protecting with this? 
For the progressive, there is very little to love about the United States. Washington, Jefferson, Madison? A bunch of rotten slaveholders, hypocrites, and cowards even when their hearts were in the right places. The Declaration of Independence? A manifesto for the propertied classes. The Constitution? An artifact of sexism and white supremacy. The sacrifices in the great wars of the 20th century? Feeding the poor and the disenfranchised into the meat-grinder of imperialism. The gifts of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, Astor? Blood money from self-aggrandizing robber barons. Nat Rev

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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2014, 09:07:17 PM »
The overarching question is why?  Why would someone go to such lengths knowing that reaction it would cause?  But perhaps even more important is - who?  Who are they protecting with this? 

why would Nixon erase 18-1/2 minutes of tape?

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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2014, 09:10:23 PM »
why would Nixon erase 18-1/2 minutes of tape?

Exactly.  There is only one person that is being protected here.  A two-bit Chicago huckster.
For the progressive, there is very little to love about the United States. Washington, Jefferson, Madison? A bunch of rotten slaveholders, hypocrites, and cowards even when their hearts were in the right places. The Declaration of Independence? A manifesto for the propertied classes. The Constitution? An artifact of sexism and white supremacy. The sacrifices in the great wars of the 20th century? Feeding the poor and the disenfranchised into the meat-grinder of imperialism. The gifts of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, Astor? Blood money from self-aggrandizing robber barons. Nat Rev

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2014, 09:19:00 PM »
Exactly.  There is only one person that is being protected here.  A two-bit Chicago huckster.


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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2014, 12:40:08 AM »
Even if the data for a "deleted" file is overwritten, a skilled forensic examiner with the right tools still has a pretty good chance of extracting a goodly portion of that file's data.  For example, even though digital data is binary - 0 or 1 - the disk in a hard disk is an analog system: atoms that are either pointing more or less in one direction - interpreted as "0" - or more or less in the opposite direction - interpreted as "1".  When a digital bit on a hard drive is changed from 0 to 1, or vice versa, the atoms that represent that bit are "turned" but the "turning" isn't usually a perfect 180 degrees.  Oftentimes, the "turning" is just enough so that the atoms point just closely enough to be read as either a 1 or a 0, depending on whether the now-overwritten data was a 0 or 1, respectively.  "Bare metal" analysis - where a forensic examiner goes right down to examine the physical structure of the disk itself - can find "bit" groups of atoms that are right at the edge of the line between "0" and "1"; an atom in that position is more likely than not to have been just flipped - i.e., the data overwritten - and so the data retrieved from the disk can be analyzed to see if treating that bit as having the other value makes the recovered data more coherent.  Of course, this sort of forensic work is horribly expensive, and it doesn't always work; however, and here's a scary aspect, it can be used to recover data from disks that have been physically damaged by, for example, being broken into pieces.  That means that even taking a hammer to a hard drive doesn't completely wipe the data off the face of the Earth; for that, the disk needs to be melted down.
 

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2014, 04:13:50 AM »
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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