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Offline rangerrebew

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« on: June 13, 2014, 05:18:51 AM »
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2014, 11:17:18 AM »
rb224315:  just another "Creepy-ass Cracka".

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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2014, 03:24:54 AM »
Lady, WE EFFING WELL TOLD YOU IT WOULD HAPPEN!

Words of one syllable, mostly, since the reports were prepared for moronic politicians, not competent problem solvers. I should bloody well know - I were on the working group that produced the JTA(Q) (Joint Threat Assessment(Iraq)) in 07, 08, and 09.

I have read the damned thing. Maybe you should have too. We don't risk assets, risk our people, and stick our colleagues asses in a crack to make a pretty book to shim your side table's wobbly leg. Seriously, each one is about 100 pages long. Printed in a large font too, with neat little color coding of significant threats. You can read the damned things in the time it takes to have a long bath, or to be driven from Washington to New York. There is even a super handy dandy check list of recommended actions at the back, to make picking shit to do easier.

Now here's the odd thing. Everyone involved was made available to answer questions and provide further clarification as needed. In 2007, I personally had maybe 3 dozen calls. Pretty much average for the group as a whole, though the guy in charge and the various station chiefs got a couple hundred each. 2008, it ramped up slightly for most of the working group. I was out of the response loop then (mandatory 6 months leave), but was getting personal calls from colleagues to clarify things that I knew and they did not.

Then we come to 2009. Report goes in, and total bleep silence. I didn't get a single clarification call from the USA for that report. Not one. No one did. It got so bad that the lead on the group actually called State to make sure they had the bleep report.

YOU DIDN'T READ IT. At the time when it most needed reading, a new administration, it got ignored. And do go blaming it on "communication failures." The people preparing briefing materials are still the same - career civil servants. Hell, I know the family birthdays of half of them. The only reason they wouldn't call and ask for clarification is if you, Ms. SoS, didn't need clarification. And you are simply not that damned smart.


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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2014, 02:00:26 PM »
Another reason why you should not be prez.  We told you it would happen. many told your side.
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2014, 02:36:12 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2014, 08:59:52 PM »
From the post above:
[[ Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Tuesday that President Obama is imperiling gains made in Iraq by pulling troops out too quickly. ]]

I admire Mr. Cheney, but he's wrong on this one.

It doesn't matter how quickly or how slowly we "pulled out" of Iraq.

Once we were gone, what was going to happen would have happened anyway.

The Republicans were as wrong as how to handle events after September 11, 2001 as were the democrats. NONE of them seem to "get it".

We are seeing the results of that now.
We are going to be seeing a LOT MORE of such "results" in the years to come...

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2014, 09:07:49 PM »
In my view, we should have said, "we are here to stay." Cripes, we have bases in Germany and Japan. It would have served notice that the United States was serious about stabilizing the region. Obama's political calculus got in the way.
For the progressive, there is very little to love about the United States. Washington, Jefferson, Madison? A bunch of rotten slaveholders, hypocrites, and cowards even when their hearts were in the right places. The Declaration of Independence? A manifesto for the propertied classes. The Constitution? An artifact of sexism and white supremacy. The sacrifices in the great wars of the 20th century? Feeding the poor and the disenfranchised into the meat-grinder of imperialism. The gifts of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, Astor? Blood money from self-aggrandizing robber barons. Nat Rev

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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2014, 09:14:41 PM »
BTW... As others have noted... Inane response from a former Secretary of State and an aspiring Presidential candidate.
For the progressive, there is very little to love about the United States. Washington, Jefferson, Madison? A bunch of rotten slaveholders, hypocrites, and cowards even when their hearts were in the right places. The Declaration of Independence? A manifesto for the propertied classes. The Constitution? An artifact of sexism and white supremacy. The sacrifices in the great wars of the 20th century? Feeding the poor and the disenfranchised into the meat-grinder of imperialism. The gifts of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, Astor? Blood money from self-aggrandizing robber barons. Nat Rev

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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2014, 09:57:08 PM »
Isn't she suppose to be the world's smartest woman?
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To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

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