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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2014, 07:47:49 PM »
To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014, 08:50:23 PM »
This is one of those items that probably cannot be proven or dis-proven sitting at the bottom of a gravity well on the surface of the Earth, and probably not withing the electromagnetic and gravitic influence of the planet or the moon.  This is why we need long term facilities out at one of the LaGrange points to do this kind of research and development....

Considering how far we have come since the Wright Brothers just over 100 years ago, where do you suppose we will be 100 years from now...??


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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2014, 08:53:27 PM »
This is one of those items that probably cannot be proven or dis-proven sitting at the bottom of a gravity well on the surface of the Earth, and probably not withing the electromagnetic and gravitic influence of the planet or the moon.  This is why we need long term facilities out at one of the LaGrange points to do this kind of research and development....

Considering how far we have come since the Wright Brothers just over 100 years ago, where do you suppose we will be 100 years from now...??


Who knows.. The sooner we leave this rock, the better imho..
To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2014, 08:55:05 PM »

Who knows.. The sooner we leave this rock, the better imho..

That's what I'm sayin' Kevin...we need to get the hell on it.....now!


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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2014, 08:55:59 PM »
This is one of those items that probably cannot be proven or dis-proven sitting at the bottom of a gravity well on the surface of the Earth, and probably not withing the electromagnetic and gravitic influence of the planet or the moon.  This is why we need long term facilities out at one of the LaGrange points to do this kind of research and development....

Considering how far we have come since the Wright Brothers just over 100 years ago, where do you suppose we will be 100 years from now...??

I agree. Who knows what is going to happen in the 2100. Carl Sagan wrote about this in his last book "Pale Blue Dot" and Stephen Hawking wrote about this subject several times.
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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2014, 08:58:32 PM »
That's what I'm sayin' Kevin...we need to get the hell on it.....now!


and quickly.. Something is up and I hate to see the work that that human race did go away all for nothing..
To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 09:04:56 PM »

Who knows.. The sooner we leave this rock, the better imho..

Carl Sagan has making this case for many years

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 09:07:29 PM »
Carl Sagan has making this case for many years


and so has Stephen Hawking as well..
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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 09:17:38 PM »
The Alcubierre drive is an interesting concept.  There was a recent article arguing that it might destroy the planetary system it was heading for because the interstellar particles it met would build up on the front edge of the warp and, because the warped space is moving at light speed, would spray those particles at light speed toward the target as it slowed down.  I was just thinking though that, provided that effect could be mitigated, the fact that the warped space would block interstellar particles - cosmic rays - from entering the local space surrounding the craft itself might actually make space travel feasible because without some sort of a shield the passengers in an interstellar craft would be hit with lethal doses of cosmic rays in very short order.

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 09:19:04 PM »

and quickly.. Something is up and I hate to see the work that that human race did go away all for nothing..

I've already seen a couple of groups out there doing some basic research into asteroid mining.  Lots and lots of good metal to be had out there if we can (A) find a way to harvest it inexpensively and (B) process it in orbit into usable metal shapes.  There are lots of precious metals to be had out there as well.  Consider the frequency with which the platinum group of metals occurs in Iron/nickel deposits....then consider how much of those platinum group would be found in an iron/nickel asteroid massing only 2 trillion tons........


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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2014, 09:39:09 PM »
I've already seen a couple of groups out there doing some basic research into asteroid mining.  Lots and lots of good metal to be had out there if we can (A) find a way to harvest it inexpensively and (B) process it in orbit into usable metal shapes.  There are lots of precious metals to be had out there as well.  Consider the frequency with which the platinum group of metals occurs in Iron/nickel deposits....then consider how much of those platinum group would be found in an iron/nickel asteroid massing only 2 trillion tons........


Also we can build the ships in space with the materials coming from the asteroid belt. There is gold in those planetoids.
To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 09:52:49 PM »
Planetary Resources Inc., a venture of some biggies like Branson, the CEO and the chairman of Google, and some others, had originally planned to mine the asteroids for metals, but has now scaled back and will focus on water:  http://www.nasdaq.com/article/planetary-resources-scales-back-its-spacemining-mission-20140507-01710

A paper was just released at the beginning of this year that tentatively concludes that there aren't many commercially exploitable asteroids; certainly not as many as once thought.  The pre-print pdf of the paper is here:  http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1312/1312.4450.pdf

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2014, 09:58:51 PM »
Actually, scratch my earlier remark about the alcubierre drive destroying its target with a slew of light-speed particles.  According to this article - which is mainly about this new concept - that conclusion has been disproven.

The article is interesting beyond just that point as well.
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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2014, 10:16:32 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkj2lR9CT08" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkj2lR9CT08</a>
To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2014, 10:17:16 PM »
Planetary Resources Inc., a venture of some biggies like Branson, the CEO and the chairman of Google, and some others, had originally planned to mine the asteroids for metals, but has now scaled back and will focus on water:  http://www.nasdaq.com/article/planetary-resources-scales-back-its-spacemining-mission-20140507-01710

A paper was just released at the beginning of this year that tentatively concludes that there aren't many commercially exploitable asteroids; certainly not as many as once thought.  The pre-print pdf of the paper is here:  http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1312/1312.4450.pdf


Damn... But water is good as well..
To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2014, 10:17:49 PM »
Actually, scratch my earlier remark about the alcubierre drive destroying its target with a slew of light-speed particles.  According to this article - which is mainly about this new concept - that conclusion has been disproven.

The article is interesting beyond just that point as well.


We live in interesting times..
To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

“You can go to live in France, but you can't become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany, but you can't become a German... But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live in the United States and become an American.”

- Ronald Reagan

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2014, 10:25:46 PM »

and so has Stephen Hawking as well..

you are right

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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 10:34:28 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rDVcnXb3oQ" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rDVcnXb3oQ</a>
To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

“You can go to live in France, but you can't become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany, but you can't become a German... But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live in the United States and become an American.”

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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2014, 10:44:23 PM »

Damn... But water is good as well..

water is very, very good.  the article's conclusions are also only tentative, and subject to dispute already, so there's still plenty of hope.  Also, the article focused on asteroids that could be commercially exploited now, it didn't focus just on the resource content of asteroids per se, so it's entirely possible that if the realm of commercially feasible changes, the value of the asteroids changes as well.

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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2014, 11:03:36 PM »
water is very, very good.  the article's conclusions are also only tentative, and subject to dispute already, so there's still plenty of hope.  Also, the article focused on asteroids that could be commercially exploited now, it didn't focus just on the resource content of asteroids per se, so it's entirely possible that if the realm of commercially feasible changes, the value of the asteroids changes as well.

Asteroids are a very good source of material that would be beneficial. You can develop a space elevator to keep the asteroid in line.
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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2014, 11:08:03 PM »
Asteroids are a very good source of material that would be beneficial. You can develop a space elevator to keep the asteroid in line.

that all depends on doing an accurate survey of the asteroids themselves.  the conclusion of the article I linked to is that there really isn't that much that's useable in the asteroids.

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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2014, 12:22:43 AM »
that all depends on doing an accurate survey of the asteroids themselves.  the conclusion of the article I linked to is that there really isn't that much that's useable in the asteroids.

I disagree. There are water vapor on these asteroids and comets.Observations of the Solar System's biggest asteroid suggest it is spewing plumes of water vapour into space.Water vapor detected from the largest object in the asteroid belt could be from a number of sources including cryovolcanoes. There are rare sources of elements that are not found on the Earth like iridium in mass quantities.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/massive-asteroid-spurts-plumes-of-water-vapor/
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Re: NASA's Warp Drive? Starship Enterprise Makes a Virtual Splash
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2014, 01:47:44 PM »
Good luck with that NASA. With this administration we can't even get a man to ISS without hitching a ride with the Russians.
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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2014, 09:26:11 PM »
Good luck with that NASA. With this administration we can't even get a man to ISS without hitching a ride with the Russians.

NASA is paying $424 million more to Russia to get U.S. astronauts ... That's $70.6 million per seat


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