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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 09:59:20 AM »
It's an invasion bigger than the Mariel boatlift during Carter's reign.

Can we keep 'em in the FEMA camps like Palestinians or do we have to let them run wild around the country?


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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 10:26:42 AM »
I can't help but notice virtually everything Obama does creates a crisis of some sort.  Rhambo said to never let a good crisis go to waste and Cloward/Piven recognized it as a means for societal change with the eventual downfall of America.
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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 10:41:39 AM »
I can't help but notice virtually everything Obama does creates a crisis of some sort.  Rhambo said to never let a good crisis go to waste and Cloward/Piven recognized it as a means for societal change with the eventual downfall of America.

If government was really the solution, it would soon put itself out of business by solving problems.

Since that never happens, it follows that...


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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2014, 01:44:32 PM »



                                                                   


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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2014, 09:59:58 PM »
Tell me something, you folks on here who again and again chime in that "we have to have immigration reform", and that the Republicans must support such reform...

What kind of "reform" is going to put a stop to this?

Can you finally begin to comprehend (and I know that you're all 'way smarter than me, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic) that if you encourage, excuse, or aid those who have already jumped the border in any way, that the ONLY message that can seen to MILLIONS more in Central and South America (as well as other places in the world), is: c'mon in, there's no penalty, there are no requirements, and that there are plenty of benefits once you get here ?????

You guys know who you are.
You've lectured me on this subject before.

How many more should be let in?
Will five million more be "enough"?
Will ten million more be "enough"?
Will twenty million more be "enough"?
Will fifty million more be "enough"?
Will one hundred million more be "enough"?

C'mon, how many?
I dare ya !!
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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2014, 01:07:40 AM »
Since I got no dog in this fight - you guys want to screw up a bold experiment, who am I to stop you - I'll take your dare.

Close the border. Full stop. Without that first step, nothing else works.

Anyone caught running the border gets deported. No exceptions. I've seen reports that deportation is hard because the original country will not accept deportees. That is not the USA's problem. Fly them back, drop them at the airport, and leave the country of nationality to sort out the problem. If they refuse to do so, cut all aid and impose trade sanctions and tariffs on said countries.

That then leaves us with the ones who evade capture, the ones who overstay their visas, and the ones who have been here a while. About 20 million or so in total. This requires a multi-pronged approach.

No benefits at all unless they can produce a birth certificate and matching green card. Legal immigrants can have a hard time too, so that is fair.

Do away with the concept of anchor babies. If the parents are legal immigrants, even if they have not yet completed the full residency requirement, the kid is American. Again, fair. Otherwise, the kid is the nationality of it's parents and the entire family can be deported after the birth.

Any child born in the USA to illegal immigrants, who has attended school and college, maintained their grades or has joined the US Military will be granted citizenship on honorable discharge from the Military, or on submission of their 5th consecutive year of tax filings. Citizenship is for the child only. Parents of said child are on a case by case basis - though anyone who raises a good kid like that should be looked at leniently. They are an asset.

Any illegal immigrant caught for a crime will serve their sentence in prison, then be reunited with their family on the repatriation flight to their home country. Felons deported who return to the USA will face the death penalty.

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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 10:46:08 AM »
Can't disagree with anything you wrote in the post above.

Edit:
One thing we do need is an Israeli-style "border barrier".
I'm talking about something like this:


... to run most of the length of the USA/Mexico border.

In 1971, while stationed in West Germany, I went on something called the "Berlin Orientation Tour". We got to visit "the wall" when it was still there, I even went through Checkpoint Charlie and got to roam around on the communist side for a while.

From seeing that, I understand how "walls work" as a passive and functional barrier. They can keep people in or out. They do the job.

It's for this reason that the left so vehemently opposes any kind of border wall, or even any sort of meaningful "border control". It's as is the left wanted to erase any notion of a border at all.

Like it or not, the folks down in Eric Cantor's district had something to say about that last night !!
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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 10:58:24 AM »

In 1971, while stationed in West Germany, I went on something called the "Berlin Orientation Tour". We got to visit "the wall" when it was still there, I even went through Checkpoint Charlie and got to roam around on the communist side for a while.


I was there as a 15 year-old kid.  A whole country behind 'prison walls' built by communists.  On the 'western' side, you could walk right up to it and it was covered in graffiti.  The other side was barbed-wire, mine fields, guard towers, etc.  Made quite an impression on me.

After seeing that, I never understood the communist apologists...

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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 11:38:13 AM »
I'm sort of next gen.  :laugh:

Passive defenses are fine, but you know the old saw. Build a 20 foot wall and the price of 30 foot ladders goes up. More active defenses make more sense in the long term. A combo of sensors, people, dogs (can't miss them out, we got nothing to match them yet apart from maybe dolphins on the coasts), along with physical barriers along the border.
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Re: Obama Dismantles Immigration Law, Creates an Immigration Crisis
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 11:41:43 AM »
Since I got no dog in this fight - you guys want to screw up a bold experiment, who am I to stop you - I'll take your dare.

Close the border. Full stop. Without that first step, nothing else works.

Anyone caught running the border gets deported. No exceptions. I've seen reports that deportation is hard because the original country will not accept deportees. That is not the USA's problem. Fly them back, drop them at the airport, and leave the country of nationality to sort out the problem. If they refuse to do so, cut all aid and impose trade sanctions and tariffs on said countries.

That then leaves us with the ones who evade capture, the ones who overstay their visas, and the ones who have been here a while. About 20 million or so in total. This requires a multi-pronged approach.

No benefits at all unless they can produce a birth certificate and matching green card. Legal immigrants can have a hard time too, so that is fair.

Do away with the concept of anchor babies. If the parents are legal immigrants, even if they have not yet completed the full residency requirement, the kid is American. Again, fair. Otherwise, the kid is the nationality of it's parents and the entire family can be deported after the birth.

Any child born in the USA to illegal immigrants, who has attended school and college, maintained their grades or has joined the US Military will be granted citizenship on honorable discharge from the Military, or on submission of their 5th consecutive year of tax filings. Citizenship is for the child only. Parents of said child are on a case by case basis - though anyone who raises a good kid like that should be looked at leniently. They are an asset.

Any illegal immigrant caught for a crime will serve their sentence in prison, then be reunited with their family on the repatriation flight to their home country. Felons deported who return to the USA will face the death penalty.

Missed anything?

Great post, EC.  Common sense still can go a long way if allowed to be used!


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