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The Associated Press ?@AP 31s

BREAKING: NATO says 5 service members have been killed in an attack in southern Afghanistan.

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Still not much detail, but the BBC has set up a stub page.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27775676
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Note: This report is UNCONFIRMED as yet.


Allied 'copters kill foreign troops in Afghanistan: police, Taliban
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KABUL (Reuters) - Five foreign servicemen died in southern Afghanistan, the Nato-led coalition forces said on Tuesday, and police and Taliban insurgents said they had been killed by fire from helicopters piloted by their own allies.

The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) gave no reason for the deaths on Monday in southern Zabul province, days before a run-off round in a presidential election. The force said it was investigating the deaths.

Local police chief Ghulam Sakhi Roghlewai said: "ISAF troops were returning to their bases after an operation when they were ambushed by the insurgents. The air strike mistakenly hit their own forces and killed the soldiers."

A Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousuf Ahmadi, said insurgents had been attacking the foreign forces when the helicopters intervened and accidentally killed their own troops.

Security is being ramped up in Afghanistan ahead of Saturday's run-off vote to replace President Hamid Karzai. The poll pits Abdullah Abdullah, a former leader of the opposition to the Islamist Taliban, against former Finance Minister Ashraf Ghani. [ID:nL4N0OP08O]

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BREAKING: Defense official says 5 NATO soldiers killed in southern Afghanistan attack are American.
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5 American Special Operations Forces soldiers killed in Afghanistan in possible friendly fire incident


June 9, 2014: An Afghan policeman stands near a burning NATO supply truck in Behsud district of Jalalabad east of Kabul.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/10/nato-says-5-service-members-killed-in-afghanistan-attack/


Five U.S. soldiers who are Special Operations Forces were killed in a possible friendly fire incident in southern Afghanistan on Monday, Defense Department officials say.

A senior U.S. defense official told Fox News early Tuesday that the troops were killed when they requested air support from a B-1 bomber after coming in contact with enemy forces.

Earlier Tuesday, a statement from NATO confirmed the soldiers' deaths, but did not give further details on their nationalities. Coalition policy is for home countries to identify their military dead.

"The casualties occurred during a security operation when their unit came into contact with enemy forces," the statement from NATO's International Security Assistance Force read. "Tragically, there is the possibility that fratricide may have been involved. The incident is under investigation. Our thoughts are with the families of those killed during this difficult time."

If confirmed, it would be one of the most serious cases involving coalition on coalition friendly fire during the nearly 14-year Afghan war. One of the worst came in April 2002 when four Canadian soldiers were killed when an American F-16 dropped a bomb on them near a night firing exercise in the southern Kandahar province.

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The latest link suggests that the massacre happened after the soldiers called in for air-support.


Seems plausible to me.....

....especially if the Afghan who conducted the 'fratricide' was concerned about innocent civilians in the "target area".


Of course it doesn't make it right.....but it makes it plausible.   :shrug:
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Friendly fire happens and is a terror for every pilot.

Details are skimpy as yet - they are not even sure if it were a gunship or a B-1 called in, I have seen both statements in different stories.

I find the B-1 idea hard to swallow. You don't call in a bomber while you are in a fire fight, they are nowhere near accurate enough during active firing situations. You call in the gunships, who come in low and relatively slow and make time to know exactly where the guys who's asses you are covering actually are. Even then, mistakes can be made.

It's a sad thing.
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Friendly fire happens and is a terror for every pilot.

Details are skimpy as yet - they are not even sure if it were a gunship or a B-1 called in, I have seen both statements in different stories.

I find the B-1 idea hard to swallow. You don't call in a bomber while you are in a fire fight, they are nowhere near accurate enough during active firing situations. You call in the gunships, who come in low and relatively slow and make time to know exactly where the guys who's asses you are covering actually are. Even then, mistakes can be made.

It's a sad thing.

It's a sad testament that the reader needs to be suspect of the source:   the Associated Press (AP)

It's sadder what the United States mainstream media has become.....
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It's a sad testament that the reader needs to be suspect of the source:   the Associated Press (AP)

It's sadder what the United States mainstream media has become.....

Not just the US media, my friend. I've been following this in the UK media, French, Israeli and English language Arabic media, trying to get a timeline and some definitives. It's a fustercluck of a story right now.
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Hmmm... wonder if they knew anything about Bergdahl?

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Not just the US media, my friend. I've been following this in the UK media, French, Israeli and English language Arabic media, trying to get a timeline and some definitives. It's a fustercluck of a story right now.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to find a trustable news source.  Whenever something big happens, the reports you hear the first day or two - are never repeated again, like they never happened. 

Have the Taliban been "stepping it up" lately?  Or am I just more tuned into it right now? 


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They are picking up the pace in multiple countries.

Though you are also hooked in more as well - once you start seeing the patterns, you can't stop.

Got to the stage now that I won't post something ref. Talis or AQ unless there are two independent reports in my feed.
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They are picking up the pace in multiple countries.

Though you are also hooked in more as well - once you start seeing the patterns, you can't stop.

Got to the stage now that I won't post something ref. Talis or AQ unless there are two independent reports in my feed.

It's a good idea.  News has to be highly filtered anymore to sift out the truth.  Terrorists seem to be emboldened right now, sensing opportunities.  The rest of us feel impotent when it comes to stopping it.  Our leaders don't appear to have a clue, or they think we're so stupid we don't have a clue (I'm inclined to think it's the latter). 
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What's sad is that their "CIC" doesn't care.
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mountaineer wrote above:
[[ What's sad is that their "CIC" doesn't care. ]]

Not so.

He -does- "care".

But he "cares" about "the other side", and wants THEM to win -- not us!

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[[ What's sad is that their "CIC" doesn't care. ]]

Not so.

He -does- "care".

But he "cares" about "the other side", and wants THEM to win -- not us!

You know, not long ago I'd have dismissed the above statement as right wing paranoia and hyperbole.  But not anymore.  I really do believe he has more sympathy with the Taliban than he does for the USA, which he sees as an imperialistic presence in the country. 
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massadvj wrote (regarding a post I made):
[[ You know, not long ago I'd have dismissed the above statement as right wing paranoia and hyperbole.  But not anymore. ]]

There was never any right-wing paranoia involved.

Obama telegraphed his intent before he became a presidential candidate.

There was never any doubt regarding which side he supported.

Even a dummy like me could see and understand this. All one had to do is to look.

Obama's own words, from "Audacity of Hope":
"I will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

How much more information does one need?

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It would be interesting what the B-1 crew has to say about this.
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Friendly fire happens and is a terror for every pilot.

Details are skimpy as yet - they are not even sure if it were a gunship or a B-1 called in, I have seen both statements in different stories.

I find the B-1 idea hard to swallow. You don't call in a bomber while you are in a fire fight, they are nowhere near accurate enough during active firing situations. You call in the gunships, who come in low and relatively slow and make time to know exactly where the guys who's asses you are covering actually are. Even then, mistakes can be made.

It's a sad thing.

From a Group page:  5th Grp guys, 2-3 SF, 1 EOD, & 1-2 ANA
(5th Special Forces Group, Explosive Ordinance Disposal, Afghan National Army)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/world/asia/friendly-fire-strike-kills-5-special-operations-soldiers-in-afghanistan.html?smid=fb-share

RIP guys.

Apparently, different commands don't get along in the area of operations. Instead of acting like big boys and giving the troops the support they need, they give them "whatever".
I wonder when the lies will stop and truth begin, even as grim as the truth may be. And then I remember that for 70 years, the reign of terror in Russia called itself "the people's government." We have so far to fall, yet we are falling fast and Hell yawns to receive us.

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Friendly fire happens and is a terror for every pilot.

Details are skimpy as yet - they are not even sure if it were a gunship or a B-1 called in, I have seen both statements in different stories.

I find the B-1 idea hard to swallow. You don't call in a bomber while you are in a fire fight, they are nowhere near accurate enough during active firing situations. You call in the gunships, who come in low and relatively slow and make time to know exactly where the guys who's asses you are covering actually are. Even then, mistakes can be made.

It's a sad thing.

The only reason they use the B-1 bombers is that they can fly in low altitude and the plane can loiter around a specific area for hours to deliver that JDAM. It has had a 97 percent success rate to deliver the joint direct attack munition.  Somebody messed up on the ground on giving the wrong coordinates to the plane
« Last Edit: June 11, 2014, 02:17:37 AM by Trigger »


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