Author Topic: If the GOP fails to pick up minority votes, Hillary Clinton will stroll into the White House  (Read 531 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 262,331

Support the USO

Offline Chieftain

  • AMF, YOYO
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 9,633
  • Your what hurts??
Ain't gonna happen.  Obama's black base is not going to come out en masse to vote for an old cracker white lady, and without them she cannot win the election.

« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 10:48:27 AM by Chieftain »

Offline GourmetDan

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,168
Ain't gonna happen.  Obama's black base is not going to come out en masse to vote for an old cracker white lady, and without them she cannot win the election.

Don't forget, they don't have to 'come out' to vote for Hellary.

Get ready for 8 more years of destroying America...




"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." - Ecclesiastes 10:2

"The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party." - GourmetDan

Offline evadR˛

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3,197
Well, if we a VFF (Virulent Fraud Factor), it won't matter who comes out.
November 6, 2012, a day in infamy...the death of a republic as we know it.

Offline GourmetDan

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,168
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." - Ecclesiastes 10:2

"The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party." - GourmetDan

Offline Fishrrman

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 13,716
Title:
[[ If the GOP fails to pick up minority votes, Hillary Clinton will stroll into the White House ]]

Simply nonsense, all the more so coming from a British publication.

My retort to Mr. Rogan (author of the article):
"How's UKIP doing, and how many minority votes are they drawing?"

You cannot move conservatism forward by distorting its values to something other than what conservatism -IS-.

"Conservatism" is a political philosophy that simply doesn't appeal to whatever "the minorities" seem to want or value. The only way you are going to gain the votes of minorities is to change the Republican party into "democratic lite". And even then, why vote for a bad imitation of the democrats, when you can vote for the real thing and get more free stuff instead?

Prediction:
For every "minority vote" the G.O.P. panders to by abandoning its tradtional values and message, it will LOSE one or more (probably more) votes from it's "Euro base".
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 08:36:22 PM by Fishrrman »

Offline evadR˛

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3,197
November 6, 2012, a day in infamy...the death of a republic as we know it.

Offline Oceander

  • Technical
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 48,964
  • TBR Illuminati
Title:
[[ If the GOP fails to pick up minority votes, Hillary Clinton will stroll into the White House ]]

Simply nonsense, all the more so coming from a British publication.

My retort to Mr. Rogan (author of the article):
"How's UKIP doing, and how many minority votes are they drawing?"

You cannot move conservatism forward by distorting its values to something other than what conservatism -IS-.

"Conservatism" is a political philosophy that simply doesn't appeal to whatever "the minorities" seem to want or value. The only way you are going to gain the votes of minorities is to change the Republican party into "democratic lite". And even then, why vote for a bad imitation of the democrats, when you can vote for the real thing and get more free stuff instead?

Prediction:
For every "minority vote" the G.O.P. panders to by abandoning its tradtional values and message, it will LOSE one or more (probably more) votes from it's "Euro base".


Rand Paul's success makes rather short work of your position.

The conservative political philosophy would appeal to a lot of "minorities" if only conservatives would explain it to them in plain English, if conservatives would start explaining what they're for rather than just railing about what they're against, and if conservatives would get over their hang-ups about people whose ancestors weren't all of western european extraction and start treating "minorities" as intelligent people who can be persuaded if they're given a clear statement of principles and of what's in it for them - and there is a whole lot of good stuff in conservatism for "minorities" that, so far, conservatives have done a damn good job of hiding from them.

« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 10:27:01 PM by Oceander »

Offline EC

  • Shanghaied Editor
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 23,836
  • Cats rule. Dogs drool.
My retort to Mr. Rogan (author of the article):
"How's UKIP doing, and how many minority votes are they drawing?"

Not terribly well, to be honest. They did well on the local level, in areas seeing an influx of legal (EU) immigrants who work faster and cheaper than the locals. They did well in the MEP elections, since the UK has never trusted the EU in the first place, and the original vote to join the Common Market in '67 was quite badly tainted.

They do not have a single MP in parliament. That is not an example of a party going places.

As to minority votes - better define them on criteria other than skin color. Plenty of people of Indian, Pakistani and Caribbean descent voted for them. They are not minorities. They are fully integrated into the language, culture and history here.
The universe doesn't hate you. Unless your name is Tsutomu Yamaguchi

Avatar courtesy of Oceander

I've got a website now: Smoke and Ink

Offline evadR˛

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3,197
Okie dokie, let's call them "sectors".
While conservatives probably have not marketed their product as well as they could, it's hard to to appeal to a "sector" that favors/expects/demands limitless freebies.
And it's hard to compete with a government "sector" that's willing to give away the store just to get votes.
November 6, 2012, a day in infamy...the death of a republic as we know it.

SPQR

  • Guest
I think that we can win. You just have to tailor the message to the population. For example, California is a "blue" state so we tailor the message to that state. Every state is different. We need to recognize that an all size fit all will not work. What works in Texas will not work in California. What we should do is start working on the youth voters. We can depend on the older voters, but not enough has been done to get the youth vote.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2014, 12:19:27 AM by Trigger »

SPQR

  • Guest
I think that we can win. You just have to tailor the message to the population. For example, California is a "blue" state so we tailor the message to that state. Every state is different. We need to recognize that an all size fit all will not work. What works in Texas will not work in California. What we should do is start working on the youth voters. We can depend on the older voters, but not enough has been done to get the youth vote.

A good example of a Republican winning a very Democratic city is Richard Riordan. Riordan ran as a conservative for Los Angeles 20 years ago and he cleaned out the city. He bulldozed the buildings that were causing the crime in the city and he also built the Staples Center as the central hub of the city. He trounced on the liberal Mike Woo in the election. Now you can eat at "The Pantry" on the West side and Downtown LA. Its a little restaurant that he owns. Its always full.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2014, 01:01:35 AM by Trigger »

Offline Oceander

  • Technical
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 48,964
  • TBR Illuminati
« Last Edit: June 10, 2014, 12:39:46 AM by Oceander »

Online Once-Ler

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 8,501
  • How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Trump
You cannot move conservatism forward by distorting its values to something other than what conservatism -IS-.
Quote

Do you think the purity of the "defund Obamacare" shutdown moved conservatism forward?   

Quote
"Conservatism" is a political philosophy that simply doesn't appeal to whatever "the minorities" seem to want or value. The only way you are going to gain the votes of minorities is to change the Republican party into "democratic lite". And even then, why vote for a bad imitation of the democrats, when you can vote for the real thing and get more free stuff instead?

Conservatism, as it is defined today by talk radio, is not popular with a majority of voters.  It is wildly popular with a shrinking subset of the GOP. A defeatist attitude about winning the hearts and minds of minorities sounds...

Reaganesque...

No.  Not Reaganesque...that's not it...

Racist?...Nope.  Don't want to go there, but don't think the liberals won't...

Suicidal?...considering the changing American demographics.

That was it.

I guess conservatives better start making babies if they have no intention of attracting non-traditional voters, or start loving rat laws.
"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
       Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump 5:35 AM - Sep 14, 2017

Offline evadR˛

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3,197
What you're effectively saying is that conservative philosophy has no appeal or persuasive power, that it's impotent and inert - one is either born with it, or one will never get it - which essentially means that it's a nullity, that it'll die with the present generation.  If that's the case, then all the more reason to push conservatives and conservatism to the side and move on with something that will have some lasting, persuasive power.

To certain sectors, that is absolutely true.

Furthermore, if the lure of "freebies" is irresistible, then why are any of us still going on about the vices and practical impossibility of "freebies"? 

That answer is easier. It's because not everyone is a member of those sectors that are all doped up on freebies.

Unless we're some sort of superhumans (I, for one am most certainly not), we should all have fallen prey to the siren call of "freebies."  But we haven't, which suggests that the lure of "freebies" is not as all-powerful as you suggest. 

As the overall population is dumbed down further and further, the drug effect of freebie-ism becomes more and more prevalent and powerful.

....there is every reason to believe that an appeal to "minorities" that lays out conservative philosophy in plain English could very well persuade them of the superior benefits of said philosophy over the false seduction of "freebies" offered by progressives.

Over a period of time that may be correct but, not by 2016.  You can start now but doubtful it will have any effect on certain freebie drugged sectors.
November 6, 2012, a day in infamy...the death of a republic as we know it.


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf