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Iran Can Now Detect U.S. Stealth Jets at Long Range
« on: June 07, 2014, 05:45:17 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2014, 05:54:11 AM »
You could probably detect the plane by its heat signature and even its nose cone heating.

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2014, 05:55:59 AM »
You could probably detect the plane by its heat signature and even its nose cone heating.

The Serbs were able to down a F-117 in March of 1999
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Re: Iran Can Now Detect U.S. Stealth Jets at Long Range
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2014, 06:02:46 AM »
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The United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia have no way of countering the new radar short of a full-scale attack. America has poured much of its military research effort into stealth aircraft, but OTH radars by their nature negate the stealth advantage

Well, there is one universal way of evading any type of radar unless you physically fly over the damned thing, though doing it at Mach 5 would be a complex and expensive form of suicide. Stay under 50 feet. Depending on the terrain, ground clutter stops at between 50 and 100 feet. It is barely doable if you stick to about 200 mph or below. I've seen jet jockeys running nape of the Earth at just under Mach 1 - but they are all insane anyways. Insane in a good way.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2014, 06:06:37 AM »
Well, there is one universal way of evading any type of radar unless you physically fly over the damned thing, though doing it at Mach 5 would be a complex and expensive form of suicide. Stay under 50 feet. Depending on the terrain, ground clutter stops at between 50 and 100 feet. It is barely doable if you stick to about 200 mph or below. I've seen jet jockeys running nape of the Earth at just under Mach 1 - but they are all insane anyways. Insane in a good way.

I agree but you can use a good person who can handle a MANPAD. But what knowledge that was gained by shooting down of Vega 31. Most of that technology ended up with the Chinese and the end result is their J-20 airplane.
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Re: Iran Can Now Detect U.S. Stealth Jets at Long Range
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2014, 06:07:16 AM »
The Serbs were able to down a F-117 in March of 1999

Pretty sure that one wound up being judged a lucky shot in the end, using a very low capability missile. Not 100% sure, but that was the buzz at the time.
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2014, 06:09:30 AM »
Pretty sure that one wound up being judged a lucky shot in the end, using a very low capability missile. Not 100% sure, but that was the buzz at the time.

I do not think it was a lucky shot because the Serb missile commander reported that he used 2 SA-3 missiles on the plane. SA-3 are radar guided missiles

http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2011/01/legacy-of-vega-31.html
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2014, 06:25:03 AM »
From the bits I remember (it was a few years ago, and I were in Aviano at the time, not Tuzla, my baby got down checked and were waiting for parts.) the pilot reported that they must have got a head on or tail on peek at his plane - enough to get a lock and let the missiles get close enough to lock on with the heat sensors. His report, and the tanker captain who witnessed it, reported several explosions not on the airframe, with significant shrapnel damage before ejection and the final hit. I don't know much about the SA-3 - they got multiple warheads? Or it could be some of the shrapnel took out one of the engines.

How the info got to China is a mild mystery - but I definitely agree it did. Apart from the newer modifications to the intakes and thrust nozzles to reduce signature even further (also as a result of the downing of Vega 31) the 117 and the J 20 could be twins.
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2014, 11:41:06 PM »
From the bits I remember (it was a few years ago, and I were in Aviano at the time, not Tuzla, my baby got down checked and were waiting for parts.) the pilot reported that they must have got a head on or tail on peek at his plane - enough to get a lock and let the missiles get close enough to lock on with the heat sensors. His report, and the tanker captain who witnessed it, reported several explosions not on the airframe, with significant shrapnel damage before ejection and the final hit. I don't know much about the SA-3 - they got multiple warheads? Or it could be some of the shrapnel took out one of the engines.

How the info got to China is a mild mystery - but I definitely agree it did. Apart from the newer modifications to the intakes and thrust nozzles to reduce signature even further (also as a result of the downing of Vega 31) the 117 and the J 20 could be twins.

There is a significant Chinese population who lives in Serbia.There was a rumor that Milosevic imported over 50,000 Chinese people and gave them Yugoslav passports so that they could vote for him in elections. I do agree that F-117 and the J-20 can be twins since they are using the same basic technology
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