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Hagel called to testify on prisoner swap
« on: June 03, 2014, 08:19:03 PM »
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/208118-house-panel-calls-hagel-to-testify-on-bergdahl-swap

Hagel called to testify on prisoner swap

By Martin Matishak - 06/03/14 05:15 PM EDT

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.) has asked Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel to testify on the controversial prisoner trade that freed Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

"I am particularly troubled by the release of five senior Taliban leaders, men with the blood of many on their hands, and the implications for our deployed forces,” McKeon said in a statement Tuesday. “I am no less concerned that the Obama Administration broke a national security law, passed with bipartisan support and signed by the President, in transferring these detainees.

"I am eager to receive answers on both counts,” he added, inviting Hagel to appear before the panel on June 11.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Tuesday endorsed the idea of a congressional investigation into the prisoner swap.

“The administration has invited serious questions into how this exchange went down and the calculations the White House and relevant agencies made in moving forward without consulting Congress,” Boehner said in a statement.

The swap has been criticized by some members of Congress, who say the decision to transfer five detainees from Guantanamo Bay in exchange for Bergdahl's release was a negotiation with terrorists.

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2014, 08:25:28 PM »
I think Susan Rice and John Kerry should be called the House Foreign Relations Committee and be questioned to their roles.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2014, 08:27:34 PM »
I think Susan Rice and John Kerry should be called the House Foreign Relations Committee and be questioned to their roles.

I agree. For whatever that is worth.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2014, 08:30:44 PM »
I think Susan Rice and John Kerry should be called the House Foreign Relations Committee and be questioned to their roles.

Question:  Since Susan Rice is now an appointed National Security Adviser to the President, a position that does not require a Senate confirmation, does she need respond to anything coming from Congress??  She does not have immunity per se, but Congress cannot call the President on his official duties, and she works directly for the President.

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 08:35:39 PM »
Question:  Since Susan Rice is now an appointed National Security Adviser to the President, a position that does not require a Senate confirmation, does she need respond to anything coming from Congress??  She does not have immunity per se, but Congress cannot call the President on his official duties, and she works directly for the President.

 :pondering:

Did Lois Lerner, a non-confirmed IRS official, have to respond to anything from Congress?

Good idea, Chieftain, but you're overthinking it.  Rice is paid by the executive branch, just as Lerner is paid by the executive branch.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2014, 09:01:48 PM »
Question:  Since Susan Rice is now an appointed National Security Adviser to the President, a position that does not require a Senate confirmation, does she need respond to anything coming from Congress??  She does not have immunity per se, but Congress cannot call the President on his official duties, and she works directly for the President.

 :pondering:


Both of them can respond to a subpoena.The criminal offense of "contempt of Congress" sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $1,000

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/2/192
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Re: Hagel called to testify on prisoner swap
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2014, 09:10:03 PM »
Question:  Since Susan Rice is now an appointed National Security Adviser to the President, a position that does not require a Senate confirmation, does she need respond to anything coming from Congress??  She does not have immunity per se, but Congress cannot call the President on his official duties, and she works directly for the President.

 :pondering:

As far as I know there is no one who get's a paycheck from Uncle Sugar who is not subject to congressional over site and thus subject to  a congressional subpoena.

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2014, 09:27:57 PM »
As far as I know there is no one who get's a paycheck from Uncle Sugar who is not subject to congressional over site and thus subject to  a congressional subpoena.

I agree. They will both answer to a subpoena or go to jail. I will include all e-mails and documents in relation to the matter
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2014, 09:46:45 PM »
Did Lois Lerner, a non-confirmed IRS official, have to respond to anything from Congress?

Good idea, Chieftain, but you're overthinking it.  Rice is paid by the executive branch, just as Lerner is paid by the executive branch.


Just looking for possible ways for the Regime to wiggle out of this.  Susan Rice if a frickin' menace.  I thought Tom Donilon was a Class 1 Zealot Nutjob, but even he has very little over Our Susan.  No telling what they will come up with to avoid the truth, but I am sure they will think of sumpthin....




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Re: Hagel called to testify on prisoner swap
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2014, 09:50:19 PM »
Question:  Since Susan Rice is now an appointed National Security Adviser to the President, a position that does not require a Senate confirmation, does she need respond to anything coming from Congress??  She does not have immunity per se, but Congress cannot call the President on his official duties, and she works directly for the President.

 :pondering:

The president can be called on the carpet in appropriate circumstances.  For example, Nixon's tapes were successfully subpoenaed by the special prosecutor, United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974).  That being said, however, I would think that the president could not personally be punished for ignoring a subpoena - certainly not by imprisonment - since that would effectively allow one branch of the government to decapitate another coordinate branch.  For that formal articles of impeachment would probably be required.  However, while this would make it impossible to force the president to testify in person, it probably would not prevent the issuance of a search warrant of the White House in appropriate circumstances.

But that's the president, not someone who works for the president.  Someone like that can be subpoenaed, just like the president, and probably on a wider set of grounds, and almost certainly could be punished for contempt by, e.g., imprisonment.  However, given the sensitive nature of Ms. Rice's position, and given that the case involves the military and foreign relations, she could almost certainly invoke privilege - a privilege which is derivative of the president's privilege on matters of national security and foreign relations - to avoid testifying.  That being said, if an instance of actual criminal activity was being investigated, it's possible that a court might decide she could be subpoenaed to answer questions about that subject in particular, with the proceedings closed and sealed to protect national security, and that she could be punished by fine or imprisonment if she refused.

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2014, 09:51:09 PM »
Did Lois Lerner, a non-confirmed IRS official, have to respond to anything from Congress?

Good idea, Chieftain, but you're overthinking it.  Rice is paid by the executive branch, just as Lerner is paid by the executive branch.

Did she have to respond?  Yes.  The question isn't whether she had to respond, but whether the political will existed to punish her for contempt.

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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2014, 10:07:06 PM »
The president can be called on the carpet in appropriate circumstances.  For example, Nixon's tapes were successfully subpoenaed by the special prosecutor, United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974).  That being said, however, I would think that the president could not personally be punished for ignoring a subpoena - certainly not by imprisonment - since that would effectively allow one branch of the government to decapitate another coordinate branch.  For that formal articles of impeachment would probably be required.  However, while this would make it impossible to force the president to testify in person, it probably would not prevent the issuance of a search warrant of the White House in appropriate circumstances.

But that's the president, not someone who works for the president.  Someone like that can be subpoenaed, just like the president, and probably on a wider set of grounds, and almost certainly could be punished for contempt by, e.g., imprisonment.  However, given the sensitive nature of Ms. Rice's position, and given that the case involves the military and foreign relations, she could almost certainly invoke privilege - a privilege which is derivative of the president's privilege on matters of national security and foreign relations - to avoid testifying.  That being said, if an instance of actual criminal activity was being investigated, it's possible that a court might decide she could be subpoenaed to answer questions about that subject in particular, with the proceedings closed and sealed to protect national security, and that she could be punished by fine or imprisonment if she refused.

She can claim executive privilege but Congress will fire back with a Contempt of Congress and Obstruction. It did not work with Nixon or Iran-Contra. I do not think that Congressman Ed Royce will be so kind to her.

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2014, 10:15:30 PM »
Did she have to respond?  Yes.  The question isn't whether she had to respond, but whether the political will existed to punish her for contempt.

The political question is whether or not current and past soldiers, their outraged families, and a traitor traded for terrorists trump faceless political organizations being targeted by the IRS.  IMO, this is the biggest scandal of the Obama presidency, and he's in Poland putting lipstick on his piggish face to countries who he sold out to Russia.

  This one has legs, and could be the end of the Obama presidency.  The groundswell on social media is incredible to me.  People who have never posted anything political on Facebook are posting about this. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2014, 10:18:02 PM »

  The groundswell on social media is incredible to me.  People who have never posted anything political on Facebook are posting about this.

Obama flagrantly broke the law by not giving the leadership of both parties 30 days notice concerning this matter. When the Osama Bin Laden operation took place both parties were given notice.

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Obama flagrantly broke the law by not giving the leadership of both parties 30 days notice concerning this matter. When the Obsama Bin Laden operation took place both parties were given notice.

Obama did not bother to notify the necessary committees of both parties either in the House or the Senate that this was going down in a timely manner. The news channels interviewed Dianne Feinstein and she seemed very angry and she is a Obama cheerleader.
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2014, 10:34:51 PM »
The political question is whether or not current and past soldiers, their outraged families, and a traitor traded for terrorists trump faceless political organizations being targeted by the IRS.  IMO, this is the biggest scandal of the Obama presidency, and he's in Poland putting lipstick on his piggish face to countries who he sold out to Russia.

  This one has legs, and could be the end of the Obama presidency.  The groundswell on social media is incredible to me.  People who have never posted anything political on Facebook are posting about this. 

I'm still not sanguine on any ignored subpoena being enforced against her personally, and the administration will most assuredly claim executive privilege to quash any subpoena.

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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2014, 10:36:23 PM »


"What difference at this point does it make?”

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2014, 10:37:03 PM »

"What difference at this point does it make?”

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2014, 10:37:58 PM »
I'm still not sanguine on any ignored subpoena being enforced against her personally, and the administration will most assuredly claim executive privilege to quash any subpoena.

Ed Royce can certainly move toward a Contempt of Congress and sends it to the House. He has the votes in in his committee to take it the House.Then it goes to the full House of Representatives votes stating that Susan Rice is refusing to answer questions. Then the House approves the contempt citation. This same situation happened to Lois Lerner.
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2014, 10:46:51 PM »
Ed Royce can certainly move toward a Contempt of Congress and sends it to the House. Then it goes to the full House of Representatives votes  stating that Susan Rice is refusing to answer questions. Then the House approves the contempt citation. This same situation happened to Lois Lerner.

It's a political matter - it depends on whether the political will exists; it's certainly not a procedural matter.

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2014, 10:48:20 PM »
It's a political matter - it depends on whether the political will exists; it's certainly not a procedural matter.

Congress has the right to know why Obama released five extremely dangerous terrorists without their knowledge. When I saw steam coming out of Diane Feinstein ears something got her very angry and she wanted to know why Obama did this. And she supports Obama's every nutty foreign policy matters
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2014, 10:52:10 PM »
Jack Goldsmith, a Bush administration veteran of the battles between the executive branch and Congress over Commander-in-Chief powers in the war against terrorists, says Obama may have been acting legally. On the website Lawfare Tuesday he wrote, “If the statute impinged on an exclusive presidential power, the president properly disregarded it and did not violate it.”

Even many of those who opposed the release in the past accept the president has the power in conflicts to effect a prisoner swap. “We have done prisoner swaps in the past,” says the first official familiar with the debate over the release. But, the official added, “That’s been in international armed conflict where you have a state with which you can negotiate and you can say this guy will not go back to the fight.”

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2014, 10:55:32 PM »
Congress has the right to know why Obama released five extremely dangerous terrorists without their knowledge. When I saw steam coming out of Diane Feinstein eans something got her very angry and she wanted to know why Obama did this. And she supports Obama's every nutty foreign policy matters

I'm quite sure she will be told, in a lengthy drawn out process, why Obama did this.

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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2014, 10:57:57 PM »
I'm quite sure she will be told, in a lengthy drawn out process, why Obama did this.

Its a little late now.  Every member of the intelligence, foreign relations and defense committees including the leadership of both Houses should have been told of this weeks ago.
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