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« on: June 02, 2014, 06:14:40 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2014, 06:40:05 PM »
YHGTBSM!!  They cannot really believed there is any comparison between this and 1981.  That is truly insane if true.  We really are in trouble if that is what anyone inside the White House believes they could justify this with in that way.

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2014, 07:47:53 PM »
I swear the most ignorant, obtuse people in the whole world are all gathered in this derelict White House.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2014, 07:50:36 PM »
YHGTBSM!!  They cannot really believed there is any comparison between this and 1981.  That is truly insane if true.  We really are in trouble if that is what anyone inside the White House believes they could justify this with in that way.

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On this I am in COMPLETE agreement!

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2014, 07:56:53 PM »
As I understand the Reagan "negotiations" with Iran, it was either release our people, or you're going to get bombed back to the 16th century.

Obama gave up 5 senior Taliban leaders for a deserter.  If the White House is "stunned" by this, let's forget the long-play conspiracy stuff, and just admit these guys in the Obama WH are idiots.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2014, 08:00:54 PM »
As I understand the Reagan "negotiations" with Iran, it was either release our people, or you're going to get bombed back to the 16th century.

Obama gave up 5 senior Taliban leaders for a deserter.  If the White House is "stunned" by this, let's forget the long-play conspiracy stuff, and just admit these guys in the Obama WH are idiots.

If anyone is equating what Reagan did with any form of "negotiation" they are completely delusional!

Reagan simply told them what would happen if they did not comply and they did! There were absolutely NO negotiations involved!

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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2014, 09:20:32 PM »
If anyone is equating what Reagan did with any form of "negotiation" they are completely delusional!

Reagan simply told them what would happen if they did not comply and they did! There were absolutely NO negotiations involved!

Exactly right.  Reagan's staff let the Iranians know what was coming five minutes after Reagan was sworn into the Presidency, and they believed him.  They held out till the last minute as a signal of contempt for the Carter Administration, but somehow they had the good sense not to provoke Ronaldus Maximus.


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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2014, 09:56:16 PM »
If anyone is equating what Reagan did with any form of "negotiation" they are completely delusional!

Reagan simply told them what would happen if they did not comply and they did! There were absolutely NO negotiations involved!

If any one of those al Qaeda monsters ends up killing Americans, there is a lawful penalty proscribed for a President who illegally released them in exchange for a man who might just be one of their allies. And the penalty for treason is not impeachment.
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2014, 10:03:56 PM »
If any one of those al Qaeda monsters ends up killing Americans, there is a lawful penalty proscribed for a President who illegally released them in exchange for a man who might just be one of their allies. And the penalty for treason is not impeachment.

Unfortunately there are no penalties for anything unless there is someone willing to enforce them!

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2014, 10:07:25 PM »
Unfortunately there are no penalties for anything unless there is someone willing to enforce them!
Precisely.

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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2014, 10:37:34 PM »
The fact that the Administration thought they would be heralded as heroes not only shows you how whacked out of touch they are - but it also shows us one of their tactics of diversion - and the lengths they are willing to go to make Obama look good when the news about him is not good.

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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2014, 10:46:43 PM »
Maybe the White House didn't take into consideration that we'd figure out that what really happened here, was that Obama released six terrorists, instead of buying into their cover story of a trade of five terrorists for one POW.

good point

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2014, 10:55:08 PM »
Unfortunately there are no penalties for anything unless there is someone willing to enforce them!
Everyone is scared witless of this guy.
It's unbelievable.
Just one more crime in a long list of crimes.  There is no end in sight.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2014, 10:56:09 PM »
I don't know, but I am not so sure that the WH has miscalculated or under-estimated anything.  In some ways I think that this was a big three-fer for them:
1.  Gets the VA Scandal completely out of the news cycle.
2.  Starts the process of emptying Gitmo in earnest.
3.  Gives another big middle finger to most of the country.

Hell, this crap about Bergdahl was certainly no secret to anyone; you had MSM coverage of it years ago well beyond Hastings' RS article.  They *knew* all of that would pop out with 24 hours or less of the news breaking.  And they also *knew* all about the senior Bergdahl, do you think anyone gets to stand with and speak with any President at the Rose Garden without his whole life being totally dissected from birth??

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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2014, 11:08:12 PM »
there is:  Jan. 20, 2017.
You know what, at this point I'll believe it when I see it. :thud:
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2014, 11:11:54 PM »
I don't know, but I am not so sure that the WH has miscalculated or under-estimated anything.  In some ways I think that this was a big three-fer for them:
1.  Gets the VA Scandal completely out of the news cycle.
2.  Starts the process of emptying Gitmo in earnest.
3.  Gives another big middle finger to most of the country.

Hell, this crap about Bergdahl was certainly no secret to anyone; you had MSM coverage of it years ago well beyond Hastings' RS article.  They *knew* all of that would pop out with 24 hours or less of the news breaking.  And they also *knew* all about the senior Bergdahl, do you think anyone gets to stand with and speak with any President at the Rose Garden without his whole life being totally dissected from birth??

Couldn't agree more Katz! I think you nailed it across the board!

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2014, 11:25:11 PM »
I don't know, but I am not so sure that the WH has miscalculated or under-estimated anything.  In some ways I think that this was a big three-fer for them:
1.  Gets the VA Scandal completely out of the news cycle.
2.  Starts the process of emptying Gitmo in earnest.
3.  Gives another big middle finger to most of the country.

Hell, this crap about Bergdahl was certainly no secret to anyone; you had MSM coverage of it years ago well beyond Hastings' RS article.  They *knew* all of that would pop out with 24 hours or less of the news breaking.  And they also *knew* all about the senior Bergdahl, do you think anyone gets to stand with and speak with any President at the Rose Garden without his whole life being totally dissected from birth??

One thing is certain:  this guarantees the GOP gets the Senate in November.  Releasing the worst of the worst in return for a deserter plays very poorly among the electorate.

And the image of Taliban dad also plays poorly.  Very poorly.
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2014, 10:06:26 AM »
I don't know, but I am not so sure that the WH has miscalculated or under-estimated anything.  In some ways I think that this was a big three-fer for them:
1.  Gets the VA Scandal completely out of the news cycle.
2.  Starts the process of emptying Gitmo in earnest.
3.  Gives another big middle finger to most of the country.

Hell, this crap about Bergdahl was certainly no secret to anyone; you had MSM coverage of it years ago well beyond Hastings' RS article.  They *knew* all of that would pop out with 24 hours or less of the news breaking.  And they also *knew* all about the senior Bergdahl, do you think anyone gets to stand with and speak with any President at the Rose Garden without his whole life being totally dissected from birth??

 i completely agree. I doubt the WH is shocked by any of this.  It gets the VA completely off the news cycle.He now gets to clean out gitmo any way he wants to. he gets to stick his finger in our eyes and in the eyes of active duty military. They are not worried about this. why should they be? nothing will occur to them from this event.
  This had been in the works for a couple of years. They held off to do this so they could use it to their advantage. VA is off the news cycle,  now obama is out of country. This will be off the front page by the time he comes home.


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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2014, 11:26:08 AM »
Maybe the White House didn't take into consideration that we'd figure out that what really happened here, was that Obama released six terrorists, instead of buying into their cover story of a trade of five terrorists for one POW.
Agreed. This administration is pretty sure we're all illiterates, or something.
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2014, 03:24:22 PM »
One thing is certain:  this guarantees the GOP gets the Senate in November.  Releasing the worst of the worst in return for a deserter plays very poorly among the electorate.

And the image of Taliban dad also plays poorly.  Very poorly.

I wish I had your optimism but I have to say, this certainly improves the chances dramatically.

These people are soooo clueless.
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2014, 10:49:48 PM »
The Obama administration managed to do something that the GOP has been unable to do since summer 2012 with this Bergdahl mess.

He's united the GOP against him, and stopped the infighting!   :beer:
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