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What a surprise.

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Get rid of that individual mandate. It's disgusting we're even talking about this because of King John's gross ignorance of I.9.1. Yet the continued allowance of this unjust and corrupted law to stand is a pox on all those who could have stopped it but have refused, from King John to the Democrats in Congress to the President and even to those who caved on the shutdown without a single concession. All of them have dirt on their hands.

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The big problem is what to do about pre-existing conditions? That's a legitimate issue for a lot of people. People who were born with a medical problem should be able to get insurance of some sort. And people who have lost their job - and their employer paid ins. with it - should be able to get insurance somewhere, too.
But people who just decide not to pay for ins. until they need it don't deserve access to any.

There is no easy answer to that problem, and 0bamacare is the only plan that ever promised one. It's going to be very hard for any candidate to insist on repealing 0bamacare without an answer for that one.

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WaPo - why bother to read what you know will be a hit piece?

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"There is no easy answer to that problem, and 0bamacare is the only plan that ever promised one. It's going to be very hard for any candidate to insist on repealing 0bamacare without an answer for that one."

If you allow preexisting conditions, then it is no longer insurance.  It becomes welfare.

The whole idea of insurance is based on averaging risks and if you allow already sick people to become a part of the pool, those averages become meaningless.
That's why young people would be a great thing for the pool, they rarely get sick. But young people know that too and they're not going to sign up so they can help bail (average) out the expense of a bunch of old, sick people.
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« Last Edit: June 01, 2014, 06:02:15 AM by olde north church »
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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But the lie was built around pre-existing conditions.  I won't say all but most have qualifications for pre-existing conditions from waiting periods to additional rates and higher fees.  HIV/AIDS is a pre-existing condition.  Why no outcry from the reliable Dem mascots on all fours and willing mouths?
The second lie is lack of hospital treatment.  Hospitals will treat any patient breaching the Emergency Room door.  It may not be the same treatment the Hollywood Hoi-Poloi receives but it's a damn sight better than what most every American will receive under Obamacare.
Third lie?  Everyone will get the same level of care.  Yeah, when monkeys fly out of my ass.  The much maligned USSCCJ Roberts saw it's a tax.  If you can afford it, you can get whatever level of care you desire. 
The winning strategy?  Focus on two or three "safe" seats of second level congressional leaders.  People weren't going to take out McConnell but his second or third in command might have had them shi tting bricks.  Another, planting the suggesting the "underprivileged" will be used for medical experiments because physicians won't have enough patients for studies.  Think Tuskeegee Syphilis study.
Heh..those same monkeys will be flying out of my arse when pubbies do ANYTHING about O-scare.

It is a tax and that tax is used for a welfare system, not insurance. This stuff doesn't even come close to insurance.

It's all headed to single payer, total government control, rationing, death squads and forced participation.

That was the intention all along.
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That's an oversimplification. There are legitimate cases where pre-existing conditions shouldn't be a bar to insurance. The most obvious one would be someone who paid for an insurance policy through their employer for many years, then got sick and had to leave their job. Are you really saying that person's insurance premiums for all those years is worth nothing? Why buy insurance at all if you can't count on it when you get sick?

That said, we did bring these problems on ourselves when we decided that tying insurance to jobs was a good idea. we probably should get rid of that whole idea and go to some sort of private plan using HSA's and catastrophic care policies that are bought on the individual market.

But in any case, the issue is a hot one for politics and any discussion about 0bamacare. Ignoring it or just being cavalier about the impacts on individual citizens likely leads to big losses in Nov.

Cavalier is an EXCELLENT word to describe it.  Like tossing around percentages of 2% to 3%, convieniently forgeting it equals 7 to 10 million families.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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That's an oversimplification. There are legitimate cases where pre-existing conditions shouldn't be a bar to insurance. The most obvious one would be someone who paid for an insurance policy through their employer for many years, then got sick and had to leave their job. Are you really saying that person's insurance premiums for all those years is worth nothing? Why buy insurance at all if you can't count on it when you get sick?

Not at all. That scenario would fit into the definition of insurance for me. As a matter of fact, I know a young couple that has fallen into that very situation.

I'm speaking more along the lines of people who don't buy insurance until they get sick. As I said, that scenario pollutes the pool. You can do it if you want, just call it what it is. It's welfare, not insurance.
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