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Offline mystery-ak

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« on: May 17, 2014, 10:42:59 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2014, 10:44:49 AM »
Why we lose every time: Reince, Fail, Repeat.....

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2014, 10:47:54 AM »
Why we lose every time: Reince, Fail, Repeat.....

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2014, 10:54:18 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2014, 11:24:22 AM »
Yep.  We've let the media (the enemy's mouthpiece) control the message - and NOW - NOW, we are getting "advice" from them on how to win!  It's almost too stupid to be believable - but it's really happening! 

We need to tell them to piss off and go out and define ourselves and when these stupid subterfuge tactics (racism, homophobia, immigrant haters, war on women, ..... utter CRAPOLA) come up  - throw them to the side - ignore them - and walk on OUR path!  Do not fall for this stuff!  It is stopping us cold in our tracks.  STOP being so afraid of what the media will call us and portray us as - be WHAT WE ARE - the truth will shine through and people will see an real alternative to the empty "special effects" of the liberals and progressives. 

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2014, 11:32:43 AM »
While I do think there is a fair amount of "eating our own" among conservatives, there is also a realization on the part of Democrats (who are far more astute at the mechanics of PR) that certain issues divide us, and keeping those issues front and center helps them.  Immigration is one example. 

In addition, both Democrats and the GOP establishment game the process, whereas conservatives tend to have to scrap for every crumb.  For example, I predict that either Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney will run in 2016, but not both of them; whereas BOTH Rand Paul and Ted Cruz will run, in addition to several other lesser conservative figures.  Conservatives don't have the discipline necessary to strategically work out the mechanics of the process.  We let the GOPe types throw all our guys into a ring and tear themselves to shreds like pitbulls, then the pitbull that survives gets to spar with the GOPe guy who is then anointed. 
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2014, 11:36:06 AM »
Yep.  We've let the media (the enemy's mouthpiece) control the message - and NOW - NOW, we are getting "advice" from them on how to win!  It's almost too stupid to be believable - but it's really happening! 

We need to tell them to piss off and go out and define ourselves and when these stupid subterfuge tactics (racism, homophobia, immigrant haters, war on women, ..... utter CRAPOLA) come up  - throw them to the side - ignore them - and walk on OUR path!  Do not fall for this stuff!  It is stopping us cold in our tracks.  STOP being so afraid of what the media will call us and portray us as - be WHAT WE ARE - the truth will shine through and people will see an real alternative to the empty "special effects" of the liberals and progressives.

I think that "we" tend to generally run against things, while "they" give the appearance of running "for" things.

Conservatism is the disposition to preserve things as they are, or to restore things that we perceive as being better than the same things which are today. Is not that conservatives oppose change, is that they don't necessarily see change as a solution to a problem created by change.

So, we are basically painted as obstructionists to change.

The left uses that to their advantage, and addresses their platform to people who have problems (most of them created by government), then offers up yet more government as a solution, while we fight the solution because we understand that governmentr solutions created more problems to be solved by further government solutions, forever and ever Amen.

 

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2014, 11:38:55 AM »
So, we are basically painted as obstructionists to change.

Which is not incorrect BTW.

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2014, 11:40:32 AM »
Conservatism is the disposition to preserve things as they are, or to restore things that we perceive as being better than the same things which are today. Is not that conservatives oppose change, is that they don't necessarily see change as a solution to a problem created by change.

I agree that this is the Burke/Kirk view of conservative ideology.  Unfortunately, given that the country is now socialist, that puts our candidates in the position of "preserving" socialist bad ideas, while the other guys propose even worse ones.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2014, 11:41:10 AM »
That is the advantage of the "smoky back room".  The bloody battle takes place behind closed doors and the candidate that emerges will not already be bloodied and broken.  Can we do this?

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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2014, 11:56:15 AM »
I agree that this is the Burke/Kirk view of conservative ideology.  Unfortunately, given that the country is now socialist, that puts our candidates in the position of "preserving" socialist bad ideas, while the other guys propose even worse ones.

Or reverting things, which immediately gets us painted as proponents of Jim Crow and worse.

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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2014, 01:01:29 PM »
We let the GOPe types throw all our guys into a ring and tear themselves to shreds like pitbulls, then the pitbull that survives gets to spar with the GOPe guy who is then anointed.

Very well said. The problem with 'conservatism' is that moral people are constrained by rules and expect the opposition to behave. Liberals have no such compunctions. They do whatever it takes to win no matter what. Lying is like breathing air for them. They lie, cheat, steal, endlessly. And they just don't care.
 
They consider themselves to be so 'holy', so 'enlightened', so far above it all that the rules do not apply to them.
 
The problem with this type of extreme arrogance and self satisfaction is that it naturally, just in the way of things, it always begs correction. And the correction when it comes will be sudden and extreme. Let us see how these Liberals fare when they no longer have any money or power. They will be starving and begging on the street.
 
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2014, 01:12:08 PM »
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We let the GOPe types throw all our guys into a ring and tear themselves to shreds like pitbulls, then the pitbull that survives gets to spar with the GOPe guy who is then anointed.

Yes! That is definitely part of it but structuring the primaries in a way that gives the GOPe guy a HUGE advantage to begin with also plays a key role!


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