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Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« on: May 16, 2014, 10:47:33 AM »

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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2014, 10:51:06 AM »
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2014, 11:09:49 AM »
Good! I wish them EVERY success!

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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2014, 12:14:10 PM »
What do all of the entities in attendance have in common? They raise funds.

What do the leaders of the entities have in common? They get commissions on funds raised and again on advertisements placed.

The supposedly "grassroots" tea party entities, have pros at the top, making big money whether they win or lose.

Exactly like Rove, Morris, etc. They are all the same. Smooth talking political operatives. Far more smooth than their candidates, in too many cases.

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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2014, 09:09:30 PM »
This does get frustrating. Voters need concise, meaningful statements. Ones that they can believe. Long lists of dreams and meandering stories of unicorns are pretty, but they don't motivate voters on election day. The GOP has to communicate clearly what they are for, and what they think they can do. And they shouldn't promise more than is reasonable to do. A 2 year Congressional session is probably only long enough for routine business and about 3 major initiatives.

In my ideal scenario, the GOP would list all of its principles - like pro-family, for limiting abortion, for traditional marriage, for religious freedom, against Sharia law, for capitalism, (and I'm sure I left some things out). And it would list the three things it would accomplish in this Congressional session - I would hope those would be replacing 0bamacare; restoring our military (including the VA); and reducing the deficit (they shouldn't even try to claim they can balance the budget in the next two years). OK, maybe 4 things - doing something about illegal immigration (and I refuse to think that amnesty is the only solution to that) is also important.

But they can't promise everything to everyone, or in two years they will be a failure and we will be back to dim dominance.

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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2014, 09:33:09 PM »
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OK, maybe 4 things - doing something about illegal immigration (and I refuse to think that amnesty is the only solution to that) is also important.

It isn't, and it never has been.  Take a look at the Senate bill in 2007 (S.1348) that was filibustered.  And then look at where we are today.  As for repealing Obamacare, how about the candidates coming up with actual fixes?  What does restoring our military actually mean? 
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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2014, 10:06:13 PM »
It isn't, and it never has been.  Take a look at the Senate bill in 2007 (S.1348) that was filibustered.  And then look at where we are today.  As for repealing Obamacare, how about the candidates coming up with actual fixes?  What does restoring our military actually mean?

When I mentioned amnesty, it was only because that's what the msm always talks about. I know there are better proposals, but they're not talked about in the media that most people see/read.

And yes, they can't just say "repeal 0bamacare" - they have to be specific about what they'd do. I have heard several proposals that I could support, but I'd almost certainly support any one that the GOP decided to unite on. But they have to be united on one - campaigning against each other on different proposals is a loser idea.

Restoring our military is probably a pipe dream on my part, but I'd like to see us get back to the readiness levels we used to have. The number of people in each of the services has been cut, and readiness levels have been reduced so that women could qualify for combat jobs and so there are the appropriate number of minorities and gays in each key area. We also have had far too much money directed toward politically advantageous programs instead of the ones that really are needed for defense.

Yes, I am being vague, but I want those areas covered - I don't have one specific solution I must have; there are multiple answers I could live with, as long as the GOP has a united front.

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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2014, 10:15:27 PM »
It would be helpful to hear specifics about a GOP health care alternative,  a GOP immigration alternative, etc.

Not just political buzzwords. Specifics.
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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2014, 10:38:51 PM »
MAC wrote:
[[ What does restoring our military actually mean?  ]]

How about:
- The removal of gays from the military (at least go back to "don't ask, don't tell")
- The end of women in close-quarters with men (i.e., on submarines)
- The permanent ban of women from combat or near-combat positions
- An end to the "dumbing down" of skills in training that are shams to "make women equal to the men"

How's that for a start?

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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2014, 10:42:20 PM »
It would be helpful to hear specifics about a GOP health care alternative,  a GOP immigration alternative, etc.

Not just political buzzwords. Specifics.

Exactly my point. But I want to hear those specifics from the politicians running for office, not from bloggers or posters. There are no doubt several specific proposals that could get fairly wide support - which one would be brought before Congress if the GOP takes over the Senate this year? And I want them to pick one before the election - I don't want to have a GOP majority Congress whose major effort is arguing with each other about which conservative idea to implement.

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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2014, 10:43:37 PM »
MAC wrote:
[[ What does restoring our military actually mean?  ]]

How about:
- The removal of gays from the military (at least go back to "don't ask, don't tell")
- The end of women in close-quarters with men (i.e., on submarines)
- The permanent ban of women from combat or near-combat positions
- An end to the "dumbing down" of skills in training that are shams to "make women equal to the men"

How's that for a start?

I like it.  :amen:

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Re: Conservatives seek to regain control of Republican agenda
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2014, 08:21:16 AM »
MAC wrote:
[[ What does restoring our military actually mean?  ]]

How about:
- The removal of gays from the military (at least go back to "don't ask, don't tell")
- The end of women in close-quarters with men (i.e., on submarines)
- The permanent ban of women from combat or near-combat positions
- An end to the "dumbing down" of skills in training that are shams to "make women equal to the men"

How's that for a start?

The social engineering that's been going on in the military hasn't exactly added to our readiness capability, more so in the Navy from what I've read.  I don't think women are currently permitted to serve aboard a submarine as part of the crew.  But once you integrate the military in any fashion, it's very difficult to pull back, especially in the area of gays and expanded women's roles.

But outside of the social issues, there's much the military can do to enhance it's capabilities and readiness, including reviewing its operational command structures in the aftermath of the past 12 years of operations.  Looking at rules of engagement is a must.  With each new advancement in technology, training and operations have to be reviewed.  Better use of the dollars appropriated in R&D, building, and equipment has to be made.  And it can't just be slogans. 

If we ever go into a major operation again, we have to seriously look at the mistakes we made in both Iraq and Afghanistan (and they were serious).  We need to look at how better to integrate our operations with our active allies. 

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