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I couldn't disagree more with Tom Verducci here....

The pitcher's mound was fifteen (15) inches until 1968...when it was lowered to ten (10) inches because of "incredibly low scoring". 

The reason that pitchers are throwing their arms 'out' is because of their love of the radar gun.  Too many pitchers are enamored with trying to throw over 93 mph.

"Pitching" is not "throwing".  Pitching is the art of upsetting a hitter's timing on his swing.   

The problem is not that athletes are bigger and stronger.  That's crap.   The problem is the shrunken strike zone, which used to be the top of the letters to the knees.

Today, it's the belt to the knees....essentially 1/3 smaller.

It's impossible for a batter to 'protect' the entire plate.   He must choose/prepare to look for something inner half or outer half.

When you take away that extra five inches in mound height, the effect of the breaking ball...curves and sliders...the batter has a helluva lot less to protect and can wait on his pitch.

Raise the mound and call the damned rulebook strikezone and pitchers won't be inclined to throw harder...ala Ryne Duren, he of coke-bottle eyeglasses   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryne_Duren

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I know the fix!  They can start throwing underhanded!

Have a thirteen year old grandson that pitches and it scares the hell out of me that he won't have much of an arm by the time he's out of high school.

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The Rangers have lost their young phenom--Marty Perez--who will likely have to have Tommy John surgery, and Matt Harrison, their former ace, has to have discs fused in his back. That will likely end his career.

Something's going on.  More and more pitchers are going down.  Even if they slow the velocity, sliders and breaking pitches can tear up an arm just as fast.

Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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I couldn't disagree more with Tom Verducci here....

The pitcher's mound was fifteen (15) inches until 1968...when it was lowered to ten (10) inches because of "incredibly low scoring". 

The reason that pitchers are throwing their arms 'out' is because of their love of the radar gun.  Too many pitchers are enamored with trying to throw over 93 mph.

"Pitching" is not "throwing".  Pitching is the art of upsetting a hitter's timing on his swing.   

The problem is not that athletes are bigger and stronger.  That's crap.   The problem is the shrunken strike zone, which used to be the top of the letters to the knees.

Today, it's the belt to the knees....essentially 1/3 smaller.

It's impossible for a batter to 'protect' the entire plate.   He must choose/prepare to look for something inner half or outer half.

When you take away that extra five inches in mound height, the effect of the breaking ball...curves and sliders...the batter has a helluva lot less to protect and can wait on his pitch.

Raise the mound and call the damned rulebook strikezone and pitchers won't be inclined to throw harder...ala Ryne Duren, he of coke-bottle eyeglasses   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryne_Duren

Absolutely SPOT ON DC!

They have RUINED pro baseball and now have done the same to pro football!

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They have RUINED pro baseball and now have done the same to pro football!

Oh well... people worship sports and sports figures too much anyway...



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I couldn't disagree more with Tom Verducci here....

The pitcher's mound was fifteen (15) inches until 1968...when it was lowered to ten (10) inches because of "incredibly low scoring". 

The reason that pitchers are throwing their arms 'out' is because of their love of the radar gun.  Too many pitchers are enamored with trying to throw over 93 mph.

"Pitching" is not "throwing".  Pitching is the art of upsetting a hitter's timing on his swing.   

The problem is not that athletes are bigger and stronger.  That's crap.   The problem is the shrunken strike zone, which used to be the top of the letters to the knees.

Today, it's the belt to the knees....essentially 1/3 smaller.


It's impossible for a batter to 'protect' the entire plate.   He must choose/prepare to look for something inner half or outer half.

When you take away that extra five inches in mound height, the effect of the breaking ball...curves and sliders...the batter has a helluva lot less to protect and can wait on his pitch.

Raise the mound and call the damned rulebook strikezone and pitchers won't be inclined to throw harder...ala Ryne Duren, he of coke-bottle eyeglasses   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryne_Duren

Yes, I still can't understand why the strike zone has had the top third of it cut off!!  I comment on that frequently when I watch baseball with my son, he just rolls his eyes at me at this point.

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Yes, I still can't understand why the strike zone has had the top third of it cut off!!  I comment on that frequently when I watch baseball with my son, he just rolls his eyes at me at this point.

Baseball authorities learned long ago about the American's penchant for "action" and getting bored after 5 minutes. 

They figured the majority couldn't appreciate "no-hitters" and shut outs.

To me....there's nothing sweeter than a 1-0 final score.  At any level.

It requires great defense and a pitcher that can out-guess hitters by spotting the ball where the batter ain't expecting.

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Baseball authorities learned long ago about the American's penchant for "action" and getting bored after 5 minutes. 

They figured the majority couldn't appreciate "no-hitters" and shut outs.

To me....there's nothing sweeter than a 1-0 final score.  At any level.

It requires great defense and a pitcher that can out-guess hitters by spotting the ball where the batter ain't expecting.

Yes, agreed on all points.  And your point on "throwing" versus "pitching" is spot on.  The guy that most folks are saying is the best pitcher in both leagues this season (so far) is that guy Tanaka that the NYY brought in, I think he pushes his fastball up to 91-92 at most, he is earning his keep by location location location....

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Yes, agreed on all points.  And your point on "throwing" versus "pitching" is spot on.  The guy that most folks are saying is the best pitcher in both leagues this season (so far) is that guy Tanaka that the NYY brought in, I think he pushes his fastball up to 91-92 at most, he is earning his keep by location location location....

Yeah, they say being proficient at baseball is to constantly making adjustments to the adjustments your opponents are making.

Soon, they'll be swinging at his 1st pitch because once you're behind in the count with him, you're essentially on defense and usually dead meat.   Then....even if you foul one straight back on the screen (which means you've timed the pitched perfectly....your 'reward' is having to become a purely defensive hitter.

Guess you can tell, I LOVE beisbol!   LOL!

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Yeah, they say being proficient at baseball is to constantly making adjustments to the adjustments your opponents are making.

Soon, they'll be swinging at his 1st pitch because once you're behind in the count with him, you're essentially on defense and usually dead meat.   Then....even if you foul one straight back on the screen (which means you've timed the pitched perfectly....your 'reward' is having to become a purely defensive hitter.

Guess you can tell, I LOVE beisbol!   LOL!

It was once my passion but they have ruined it!

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It was once my passion but they have ruined it!

Can't get enough of it.   And I'm blessed to have the Baltimore Orioles AND the Washington Nationals...AL/NL respectively, right in my backyard.  They're both at or near the top in the standings.

Have to wonder though...how much more Buck Showalter could get out of the guys on the NATS than Matt Williams is getting.

Because the Orioles have been "over-achieving" now for 2 years.  LOL!
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Yeah, they say being proficient at baseball is to constantly making adjustments to the adjustments your opponents are making.

Soon, they'll be swinging at his 1st pitch because once you're behind in the count with him, you're essentially on defense and usually dead meat.   Then....even if you foul one straight back on the screen (which means you've timed the pitched perfectly....your 'reward' is having to become a purely defensive hitter.

Guess you can tell, I LOVE beisbol!   LOL!

I Love baseball too, DC.  Beyond the inherent beauty of the game, it is a wonderful distraction away from the rest of the crap that we deal with lately!!

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It was once my passion but they have ruined it!

Did you lose interest after the strike?  I can't count the number of guys that have told me they stopped watching completely ever since the strike.  Geez, thinking back, that was in the mid 90s, I can't believe how the years fly by anymore...

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Did you lose interest after the strike?  I can't count the number of guys that have told me they stopped watching completely ever since the strike.  Geez, thinking back, that was in the mid 90s, I can't believe how the years fly by anymore...

Yes! That was the last straw for me.  I pretty much feel the same about all professional team sports.  Bunch of over paid crybabies and the owners are even worse!


Still love the game and luckily have a very good college team here that I follow.

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Lowering the mound will only increase the pressure on young pitchers to increase the velocity.
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Yes! That was the last straw for me.  I pretty much feel the same about all professional team sports.  Bunch of over paid crybabies and the owners are even worse!


Still love the game and luckily have a very good college team here that I follow.

In addition to college teams, almost every place in America has minor/independent league teams that are often a lot of fun to attend.  And it is mind blowing to me how tiny the dent in the wallet is for tickets (with excellent views) and as much as you'd like to eat!

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In addition to college teams, almost every place in America has minor/independent league teams that are often a lot of fun to attend.  And it is mind blowing to me how tiny the dent in the wallet is for tickets (with excellent views) and as much as you'd like to eat!

I have even more fun watching the local softball teams duke it out at my neighborhood park.

As for the major leagues, I think they ought to dress the pitchers up in ballerina tutus, have them do pirouettes halfway down toward the plate, then stop and serve up the pitches underhand.  That should solve the game's marketing problems.  It will bring in the much sought-after LGBT community, along with women and metrosexuals, and there will be plenty of scoring to satisfy the fans' appetites.
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I have even more fun watching the local softball teams duke it out at my neighborhood park.

As for the major leagues, I think they ought to dress the pitchers up in ballerina tutus, have them do pirouettes halfway down toward the plate, then stop and serve up the pitches underhand.  That should solve the game's marketing problems.  It will bring in the much sought-after LGBT community, along with women and metrosexuals, and there will be plenty of scoring to satisfy the fans' appetites.

You're suggesting they don apparel appropriate for an NFL QB?   lol

Speaking of softball and underhand pitching, every so often I come across a college women's softball tourney on TV, I am always fascinated at how fast they can zip that ball over the plate with those underhanded windups!

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In addition to college teams, almost every place in America has minor/independent league teams that are often a lot of fun to attend.  And it is mind blowing to me how tiny the dent in the wallet is for tickets (with excellent views) and as much as you'd like to eat!
There's a local rec league (post-high school amateurs, but higher caliber than a beer league) that opens up this weekend. I'm thinking about attending the opening game tomorrow; some of my old high school friends are on the team.

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Update:

Went to the game this afternoon. I ended up getting pressed into scorekeeping even though I haven't done it since elementary school and I didn't learn all of it (fortunately by inning 3 I found the cheatsheet). It was a heck of a game. Down 7-4, heading into the bottom of the last inning. Our guys score two runs, have the bases loaded; all we need to do is score a hit to tie.

The pinch hitter strikes out; we lose by the narrowest and most agonizing of margins.

Considering we're just a bunch of guys having fun in a relatively serious league (we're self-managed, the others aren't), I'll say we did pretty well.


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