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U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« on: May 11, 2014, 08:38:41 PM »
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May 11, 2014

The prohibition on transgender individuals serving in the US military “continually should be reviewed,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said on Sunday. Hagel did not indicate whether he believes the policy should be overturned. However, he said “every qualified American who wants to serve our country should have an opportunity if they fit the qualifications and can do it.”

A military review of transgender issues could occur as it also deals with questions about how to treat transgender prisoners. (Bradley) Manning, a former Army private serving a 35-year prison sentence for providing classified documents to WikiLeaks, is fighting to be treated as a woman. She is seeking a counselor who specializes in gender issues and also wants to get hormone replacement therapy, which the military has said it does not provide.

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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2014, 09:22:10 PM »
And Chuckie Hagel is just the guy to take care of this....

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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2014, 10:32:24 PM »
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However, he said “every qualified American who wants to serve our country should have an opportunity if they fit the qualifications and can do it.”

I hear that troops with tattoos are being tossed out, even though they already fit the qualifications.


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Hagel: Military Transgender Ban 'Should be Reviewed'
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2014, 08:41:54 AM »
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Hagel: Military Transgender Ban 'Should be Reviewed'
Sunday, May 11, 2014 01:50 PM

By: Newsmax Wires

The prohibition on transgender people serving in the U.S. military "continually should be reviewed," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Sunday.

While Hagel did not indicate whether he believes the policy should be overturned, he said "every qualified American who wants to serve our country should have an opportunity if they fit the qualifications and can do it."

A transgender individual is someone who has acquired the physical characteristics of the opposite sex or presents themselves in a way that does not correspond with their sex at birth.

A panel convened by a think tank at San Francisco State University recently estimated that about 15,450 transgender personnel serve in the military and in the National Guard and Reserve.

In 2010, Congress passed legislation allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly. Hagel said the issue of transgender serving in the military is more complicated. He said "these issues require medical attention" that at times cannot be provided in austere locations.

The National Center for Transgender Equality said it welcomed Hagel's comments, which were made on ABC's "This Week." The organization's executive director, Mara Keisling, said the regulations that disqualify transgender recruits and service members are based on outdated prejudices and stereotypes.

"If the secretary were able to meet and talk with the trans service members I've met, he'd understand the answer is self-evident. These are amazing people who serve even though they must hide a basic part of who they are," Keisling said.

Meanwhile, Hagel also discussed the care given to U.S. veterans by the Department of Veterans Affair. He said it is "not good enough" but offered support for Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki, who has rejected calls to resign.

The American Legion, an influential veterans group, and some Republicans have called for Shinseki to step down following reports on whistleblowers' claims that up to 40 veterans died while waiting for appointments or specialist care at a VA hospital in Phoenix.

"I do support General Shinseki," Hagel told the ABC program "This Week," referring to the former four-star Army general who lost part of a foot to a land mine during the Vietnam War.

"But there's no margin here. If this (reported delays in care), in fact, or any variation of this occurred, all the way along the chain accountability is going to have to be upheld here because we can never let this kind of outrage, if all of this is true, stand in this country," the defense secretary added.

Asked about VA care for veterans that includes an average wait of five months, Hagel said, "No, it's not good enough, obviously. It has to be better." He also said the problems in the VA did not start under Shinseki bur rather "should have been looked at years and years ago."

Hagel is a decorated veteran who served during the Vietnam War as an enlisted man before becoming a Republican U.S. senator and later defense secretary under Democratic President Barack Obama.

The Veterans Affairs Committee in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives last week approved a subpoena ordering Shinseki and other top VA officials to produce all emails and written correspondence sent between April 9 and May 8 related to the disappearance or destruction of a secret patient wait list at the Phoenix VA hospital.

A senior House Republican on Sunday signaled impatience with Shinseki. Representative Mike Rogers, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, told the CBS program "Face the Nation" that Obama is "going to have to make a decision on Mr. Shinseki."

"If Mr. Shinseki can't come here and tell Congress how exactly he's going to change that culture there, I think we need to find somebody who's willing to go in and shake up the Veteran's Affairs so that their number one, two and third priority is taking care of the men and women who serve this country," Rogers said.

Shinseki's department provides patient care and federal benefits to veterans and their dependents. Veterans Affairs is the biggest U.S. healthcare system, including 1,700 hospitals, clinics and other facilities with nearly 9 million people enrolled.


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Re: Hagel: Military Transgender Ban 'Should be Reviewed'
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2014, 08:59:45 AM »
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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2014, 09:25:13 AM »
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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2014, 09:43:31 AM »
It's actually one of the few bans I agree with.

Not because I got anything against transgenders - I don't. But it would be a logistical freaking nightmare. Maybe back at home base, fine, but not in the field. Miss one damned pill and they get mood swings that take days to work out.
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Chuck Hagel: transgender military ban 'continually should be reviewed'
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2014, 09:12:01 AM »

Chuck Hagel: Transgender Military Ban 'Continually Should Be Reviewed'
 
Image: Chuck Hagel: Transgender Military Ban 'Continually Should Be Reviewed'    In this May 2014 file photo U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel speaks at an event in Chicago, Illinois. 
 

Monday, 12 May 2014 11:24 AM

By Nick Sanchez


Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said in an interview over the weekend that the ban on transgender service members in the military "should be reviewed."

 The comment was prompted by a question from ABC News' Martha Raddatz on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos," who alluded to the findings of an independent commission in March led by former U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Joycelyn Elders. The commission found "no compelling medical reason" to maintain the ban.

 "I do think it continually should be reviewed," said Hagel of the ban. "I'm open to those assessments, because, again, I go back to the bottom line, every qualified American who wants to serve our country should have an opportunity if they fit the qualifications and can do it."

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 Hagel said his only concern was regarding medical support for transgender troops in "austere locations." He said transgender issues in regard to military service are "an area that we’ve not defined enough," and was sure to clarify that he is not stating an opinion one way or another on keeping or repealing the ban, but simply believes it should be reviewed.

 The aforementioned study released in March by a San Francisco State University think tank said there were "approximately 15,450 transgender personnel who serve currently in the active, Guard, and reserve components."

 In response to the report, Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen, a defense department spokesman, said, "At this time there are no plans to change the department's policy and regulations which do not allow transgender individuals to serve in the U.S. military."

 Many countries, including Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom, and Israel, allow transgender people to serve in the military. A similar ban on gay, lesbian, and bisexual service members, commonly known as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," was lifted in the U.S. in 2010.


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yah...this kind of BS is exactly what encourages guys like Vlad Putin to do whatever the hell he wants, because it is clear that the Americans are doing a much better job of destroying their own Military than Russian forces could ever hope to.

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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2014, 07:38:20 PM »
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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2014, 07:46:05 PM »
Just think, the trannies will be licking cake off their own faces.

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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2014, 08:35:13 PM »
Hagel isn't well liked by the military, as most military blogs show.  Homosexuals aren't well accepted and trannies will be even less welcomed.  The military should not be subjected to forced social engineering.  The problems associated with the Navy after Tailhook in the 1990s should be required study at the war colleges. 
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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2014, 09:54:31 PM »
  The military should not be subjected to forced social engineering. 

We've been used as a social experiment for years.
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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2014, 04:50:09 AM »
Hagel isn't well liked by the military, as most military blogs show.  Homosexuals aren't well accepted and trannies will be even less welcomed.  The military should not be subjected to forced social engineering.  The problems associated with the Navy after Tailhook in the 1990s should be required study at the war colleges.

Not well liked is a generous understatement, from all I have heard. Despised might be a more accurate term.  :laugh:

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Re: U.S. military’s transgender ban may now be endangered
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2014, 07:53:15 AM »
We've been used as a social experiment for years.

Yes, especially since Tailhook.
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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2014, 07:57:53 AM »
Not well liked is a generous understatement, from all I have heard. Despised might be a more accurate term.  :laugh:

It's especially intensive toward Hagel within the officer ranks.
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