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I think everyone here knows what Christian Baptism is, so didn't post it. Or do you really think we are that stupid? Sarah isn't a saint, but compared to RINOS, I'd say she has a lot more going for her.

Not stupid.

Disingenuous.
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Not stupid.

Disingenuous.

That works both ways. Projecting?

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I find Sarah's comment offensive.

She's equating one of the most important tenets of my religion to what constitutes torture.

Sarah's comment is over the line, so you need top remove it as well.

If you think water boarding is torture I know of a few other games you would LOVE to play!

EVERY person who has ever served in any special operations arm of any branch of our military has undergone training that would make a day of water boarding look like a Sunday School picnic!

Why should people who want nothing more than to kill each and every one of us be immune to that?
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Apparently, Sarah mods here.

I am not a moderator, just so you know.

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That works both ways. Projecting?

Tell you what... I'll make my case, the you make yours.

I Googled the following "define baptism", and here are the results:

https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+baptism&rlz=1C1GPCK_enUS584US584&oq=definition+baptism&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.9332j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

EVERY SINGLE return from that search in that page defines "baptism" as a religious rite. EVERY SINGLE suggested related searches points you to something associated with religion.

YOU post a definition of the word that lacks a single association to Christianity.

What's the link to that lefty dictionary?

I didn't find it.

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If you think water boarding is torture I know of a few other games you would LOVE to play!

EVERY person who has ever served in any special operations arm of any branch of our military has undergone training that would make a day of water boarding look like a Sunday School picnic!

Why should people who want nothing more than to kill each and every one of us be immune to that?

OK... we'll play.

I'll water, you board.

I won't understand how you can possibly think that what's happening to you is torture.

Are you in?

I don't necessarily disapprove of using the method to obtain information, but I don't kid myself into thinking that it isn't torture.
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Tell you what... I'll make my case, the you make yours.

I Googled the following "define baptism", and here are the results:

https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+baptism&rlz=1C1GPCK_enUS584US584&oq=definition+baptism&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.9332j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

EVERY SINGLE return from that search in that page defines "baptism" as a religious rite. EVERY SINGLE suggested related searches points you to something associated with religion.

YOU post a definition of the word that lacks a single association to Christianity.

What's the link to that lefty dictionary?

I didn't find it.

This is the FIRST definition of Baptism on Google, by Google: bap·tism


/ˈbapˌtizəm/


noun

noun: baptism




(in the Christian Church) the religious rite of sprinkling water onto a person's forehead or of immersion in water, symbolizing purification or regeneration and admission to the Christian Church. In many denominations, baptism is performed on young children and is accompanied by name-giving.

synonyms: christening, naming More
"the baptism ceremony"




•a ceremony or occasion at which baptism takes place.
plural noun: baptisms



•a person's initiation into a particular activity or role, typically one perceived as difficult.
"this event constituted his baptism as a politician"


synonyms: initiation, debut, introduction, inauguration, launch, rite of passage
"his baptism as a politician"


Now, I'm done with the spamming of a thread with the same thing over and over.

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OK... we'll play.

I'll water, you board.

I won't understand how you can possibly think that what's happening to you is torture.

Are you in?

I don't necessarily disapprove of using the method to obtain information, but I don't kid myself into thinking that it isn't torture.

So a device that results in absolutely no physical harm is, in your mind, Torture! Interesting!

Damned right I'll play!
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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I think everyone here knows what Christian Baptism is, so didn't post it. Or do you really think we are that stupid? Sarah isn't a saint, but compared to RINOS, I'd say she has a lot more going for her.

So why then in response to sinkspur's challenge that you look the word up in the dictionary, did you post a definition that totally excluded the word's roots in the rites of Christianity instead f just agreeing with him?

I could say "no shit?" instead of "is that true?", but that doesn't make the word "shit" less offensive or appropriate. 

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Can we agree that the acts of waterboarding and baptism are mutually exclusive and let it go?  Sheese.
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So a device that results in absolutely no physical harm is, in your mind, Torture! Interesting!

Damned right I'll play!

You'll volunteer yourself to be subjected to waterboarding to defend Palin's use of a word.

Since we're all using our dictionaries today, look up fanaticism.
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This is cute.  The Palinites are twisting themselves into knots trying to convince us that Palin--mensa member that she is--had some obscure meaning attached to the word "baptize" when, in fact, she knew exactly what she was saying. 

It's not waterboarding that's the issue here, folks.  It's the misappropriation of the word "baptize" to a procedure that is viewed by Christian morality as immoral.
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Can we agree that the acts of waterboarding and baptism are mutually exclusive and let it go?  Sheese.

No shit....this is ridiculous!
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You'll volunteer yourself to be subjected to waterboarding to defend Palin's use of a word.

Since we're all using our dictionaries today, look up fanaticism.

I've been subjected to a hell of a lot worse than water boarding my friend! Have you?

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

 Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.) in his 1964 presidential nomination acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention

I happen to agree with him!
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Myst... I sometimes take 3.

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Bryan Fischer: Sarah Palin’s joke about waterboarding people was “clever and funny”
Elias Isquith
Salon
April 30, 2014

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Speaking on his radio show on Tuesday, the American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer came to the defense of Sarah Palin, arguing that her recent controversial joke about waterboarding-as-terrorist-baptism was not barbaric and offensive but rather “clever and funny” and good.

“I just love her spunk and lover her spirit,” Fischer said in Palin’s defense. Besides, Fischer said, “waterboarding is not torture.”
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I've been subjected to a hell of a lot worse than water boarding my friend! Have you?

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

 Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.) in his 1964 presidential nomination acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention

I happen to agree with him!

You do this a lot.

It's a logical fallacy known as argumentum ab auctoritate, argument from authority. The idea that anything said by anyone who is generally held in high regard, must be correct.

One of the most notable examples of the fallacy is the case of American zoologist Theophilus Painter.

In 1923 Painter declared that according to his findings, humans had 24 pairs of chromosomes. From that point through the 1950's, Painter's count continued to be held as scientific fact, in spite of numerous counts during that period of time showing that the correct number was 23. Even textbooks with pictures clearly showing 23 pairs of chromosomes declared the number to be 24 based on nothing more that Painter's gravitas and acknowledged position of authority.

In your case, you are trying to make the argument that since Goldwater used the word "extremism" in a positive light in his 1964 acceptance speech, and Goldwater is a conservative icon, he would approve of waterboarding.

That's a far reach.

In his speech, Goldwater was alluding to the 1964 racial riots.

I really doubt that Goldwater would agree that when he said "extremism" he meant waterboarding.
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Besides, Fischer said, “waterboarding is not torture.”

Most people who have never been waterboarded would agree.
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You do this a lot.

It's a logical fallacy known as argumentum ab auctoritate, argument from authority. The idea that anything said by anyone who is generally held in high regard, must be correct.

One of the most notable examples of the fallacy is the case of American zoologist Theophilus Painter.

In 1923 Painter declared that according to his findings, humans had 24 pairs of chromosomes. From that point through the 1950's, Painter's count continued to be held as scientific fact, in spite of numerous counts during that period of time showing that the correct number was 23. Even textbooks with pictures clearly showing 23 pairs of chromosomes declared the number to be 24 based on nothing more that Painter's gravitas and acknowledged position of authority.

In your case, you are trying to make the argument that since Goldwater used the word "extremism" in a positive light in his 1964 acceptance speech, and Goldwater is a conservative icon, he would approve of waterboarding.

That's a far reach.

In his speech, Goldwater was alluding to the 1964 racial riots.

I really doubt that Goldwater would agree that when he said "extremism" he meant waterboarding.

So you don't think Barry Goldwater would have been on board with the use of water boarding in order to obtain information needed to protect citizens of the U.S. from our sworn enemies?

If so I respectfully but STRONGLY disagree!

And I would appreciate it if you would stop building strawmen in order to support your arguments.
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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You do this a lot.

It's a logical fallacy known as argumentum ab auctoritate, argument from authority. The idea that anything said by anyone who is generally held in high regard, must be correct.

One of the most notable examples of the fallacy is the case of American zoologist Theophilus Painter.

In 1923 Painter declared that according to his findings, humans had 24 pairs of chromosomes. From that point through the 1950's, Painter's count continued to be held as scientific fact, in spite of numerous counts during that period of time showing that the correct number was 23. Even textbooks with pictures clearly showing 23 pairs of chromosomes declared the number to be 24 based on nothing more that Painter's gravitas and acknowledged position of authority.

In your case, you are trying to make the argument that since Goldwater used the word "extremism" in a positive light in his 1964 acceptance speech, and Goldwater is a conservative icon, he would approve of waterboarding.

That's a far reach.

In his speech, Goldwater was alluding to the 1964 racial riots.

I really doubt that Goldwater would agree that when he said "extremism" he meant waterboarding.

Very well done. 
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So you don't think Barry Goldwater would have been on board with the use of water boarding in order to obtain information needed to protect citizens of the U.S. from our sworn enemies?

If so I respectfully but STRONGLY disagree!

And I would appreciate it if you would stop building strawmen in order to support your arguments.

Not only do I not think that, but equally as significant is the fact that you don't know that he would.

Point me to the strawman in my argument.
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P.S. Bigun, according to your own argument, waterboarding is extremism, so all we're debating now is the degree of extremism.
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