Author Topic: Bundy hoax exposed: full video of Cliven Bundy's non-racist, pro-black, pro-Mexican, anti-government remarks  (Read 1095 times)

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« Last Edit: April 26, 2014, 04:35:03 AM by rangerrebew »
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Nope, doesn't matter what he actually said, he has lost his right to have an opinion.  Just ask any left winger and half of the so called right wingers. 

The "tolerant" party is becoming all encompassing.   **nononono*

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Nope, doesn't matter what he actually said, he has lost his right to have an opinion.  Just ask any left winger and half of the so called right wingers. 

The "tolerant" party is becoming all encompassing.   **nononono*

What Bundy actually said was pretty bad.  Then he goes to clarify what he said and makes it WORSE.

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Cliven Bundy is not saying that blacks should be slaves picking cotton, but that the Federal government has created conditions for them so terrible, that their current situation may actually be worse.

If Bundy thinks modern blacks are worse off than slaves, then he's as stupid as he comes across.

And when someone's statements are not self-evident, but have to be explained away, that someone has lost the argument.

Why are people defending what this old fool said?  It's indefensible.
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I understand in the aether of intellectualism what he was 'trying' to say. But the poor guy is way, way, way, too inarticulate to have the ability to express in modern terms what he what he meant.
 
The bottom line is that he bombed the whole thing. He was too stupid to stay on topic and the fame may have gone to his head. He handed his own head to Reid by straying outside of the things he knows about. Once he starts 'pontificating', well then he just screwed himself and all of us who support him along with him.
 
He is like a redneck rancher version of Sean Penn, in the sense that he trys to talk way over his head and winds up just making a fool of himself and us.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.

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What Bundy actually said was pretty bad.  Then he goes to clarify what he said and makes it WORSE.

If Bundy thinks modern blacks are worse off than slaves, then he's as stupid as he comes across.

And when someone's statements are not self-evident, but have to be explained away, that someone has lost the argument.

Why are people defending what this old fool said?  It's indefensible.

Funny.

we spend hours making that very argument about Obama, and then turn around and become a bunch of Jay Carneys to defend Bundy.

This whole Bundy saga is like bad mirror image of the left vs right debates raging through the nation in the period of time immediately preceding the implementation of Obamacare into law.

The right argued from a point of the illegal nature of the law by bringing out all sorts of facts and figures, while the left just wanted to discuss the idea of "fairness" and what was "just" and "right".

Now, as I bring out facts, figures and laws proving that Bundy doesn't have a leg to stand on, others (allegedly from my own side of the political aisle) want to discard all facts, laws and figures and discuss what is "just", "fair" and "right".

Alleged conservatives, posting in an alleged conservative site (not this one), are describing the practice of the United States leasing land to ranchers for them to use in running their business as being "... a prime example of how the ruling class unjustly expropriates the labor of the poor."

I'm pretty sure that guy was channeling Karl Marx when he wrote that.

Curioser and curioser...
« Last Edit: April 25, 2014, 05:47:52 PM by Luis Gonzalez »

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« Last Edit: April 25, 2014, 06:42:36 PM by Howie66 »
I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery.  But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes:  If you bleep with me, I'll kill you all.

Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders (Note: Mattis did NOT say "BLEEP". He threw the F Bomb)

I didn't enlist in the Corps just to watch my country become a Third World Communist Shit-hole. Don't know anyone who did.

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I am finding it to be increasingly easy to distance myself from Rand Paul, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and their ilk. Really easy.

It doesn't take a genius to realize Bundy is an inarticulate old man, who allowed himself be baited by a reporter. How many millions of other average citizens could be manipulated in the same way? He didn't seek the limelight, but wanted the feds leave him alone. It is that simple, and people are trashing him, because he phrased his sentence wrong. My grandfather spoke the same way he did, and he sure as heck wasn't racist. I can't believe how a private citizen is being beat up by supposedly smart people. They all act like he should be a spokesperson for the republican party. In many ways, he is a lot smarter than those who are belittling him.

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Does anybody remember the quote about not agreeing with what somebody says but fighting to the death the right to say it?
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.


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Does anybody remember the quote about not agreeing with what somebody says but fighting to the death the right to say it?

I'm not questioning his right to say anything.

I'm pointing our that his remarks were racist.

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I am finding it to be increasingly easy to distance myself from Rand Paul, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and their ilk. Really easy.

Me too, Howie.  They all run like scared children, it is a real shame.

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Looks like Mr. Bundy and his family ranching business had plenty of liberty to live life without harassment from the Gubmint for well in excess of a century.

What has changed?

Get used to the idea that not only is his liberty and freedom being placed in jeopardy by this Obama Regime....yours and mine is as well.

The question is, what are you willing to do about it? I already know where I stand.
I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery.  But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes:  If you bleep with me, I'll kill you all.

Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders (Note: Mattis did NOT say "BLEEP". He threw the F Bomb)

I didn't enlist in the Corps just to watch my country become a Third World Communist Shit-hole. Don't know anyone who did.

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It doesn't take a genius to realize Bundy is an inarticulate old man, who allowed himself be baited by a reporter. How many millions of other average citizens could be manipulated in the same way? He didn't seek the limelight, but wanted the feds leave him alone. It is that simple, and people are trashing him, because he phrased his sentence wrong. My grandfather spoke the same way he did, and he sure as heck wasn't racist. I can't believe how a private citizen is being beat up by supposedly smart people. They all act like he should be a spokesperson for the republican party. In many ways, he is a lot smarter than those who are belittling him.

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I'm not questioning his right to say anything.

I'm pointing our that his remarks were racist.

Much more than being "racist", his comments were IRRELEVANT.

That term "racist" hold no meaning any longer. It has been thrown around so much that it's a freaking joke. The only people that used that stupid and pointless word are the real "racists" if you think about it.
I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery.  But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes:  If you bleep with me, I'll kill you all.

Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders (Note: Mattis did NOT say "BLEEP". He threw the F Bomb)

I didn't enlist in the Corps just to watch my country become a Third World Communist Shit-hole. Don't know anyone who did.

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Much more than being "racist", his comments were IRRELEVANT.

That term "racist" hold no meaning any longer. It has been thrown around so much that it's a freaking joke. The only people that used that stupid and pointless word are the real "racists" if you think about it.

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Much more than being "racist", his comments were IRRELEVANT.

That term "racist" hold no meaning any longer. It has been thrown around so much that it's a freaking joke. The only people that used that stupid and pointless word are the real "racists" if you think about it.

So you all feel that you have the wherewithal to deem what I can consider relevant or not?

You agreeing with. Bundy doesn't make him right. It makes you equally wrong.

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The image I hold is one of a federal government acting like a bully against a Red State Conservative "Free Grazer".....who went above and beyond by spending his own money to improve access and egress from subject land parcel.

Now....with Open Range being one of my favorite in the Western genre...I'm am beginning to associate behaviors/opinions with characters in the flick.

No doubt, Cliven Bundy is Boss Spearman and a growing number of our posters are auditioning for the role of Denton Baxter.

Point here is being an a$$hole with racist proclivities is not a crime.   Yet.

Let's focus on an administration that has sigged the IRS on the Tea Party and are spoiling to get into armed conflicts with Red State Conservatives who aren't costing the government a thin dime.

Can somebody please show me where the United States Government is being cheated here?  What product has been stolen?  Grass?

IMO, the fee was paid soon as the bovine pooped.   LOL! 
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So you all feel that you have the wherewithal to deem what I can consider relevant or not?

You agreeing with. Bundy doesn't make him right. It makes you equally wrong.

I don't "feel" anything other than total disgust that while our freedoms and liberty are being threatened, the biggest amount of attention is being paid to a completely irrelevant issue. Whether or not I agree with Bundy is not important.

I'm not sure how many times I need to repeat this to make it understood.
I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery.  But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes:  If you bleep with me, I'll kill you all.

Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders (Note: Mattis did NOT say "BLEEP". He threw the F Bomb)

I didn't enlist in the Corps just to watch my country become a Third World Communist Shit-hole. Don't know anyone who did.

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I don't "feel" anything other than total disgust that while our freedoms and liberty are being threatened, the biggest amount of attention is being paid to a completely irrelevant issue. Whether or not I agree with Bundy is not important.

I'm not sure how many times I need to repeat this to make it understood.

Then clarify this.

Exactly what liberties and freedoms of ours (or Bundy's for that matter) are being threatened by this specific set of events?

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The image I hold is one of a federal government acting like a bully against a Red State Conservative "Free Grazer".....who went above and beyond by spending his own money to improve access and egress from subject land parcel.

Now....with Open Range being one of my favorite in the Western genre...I'm am beginning to associate behaviors/opinions with characters in the flick.

No doubt, Cliven Bundy is Boss Spearman and a growing number of our posters are auditioning for the role of Denton Baxter.

Point here is being an a$$hole with racist proclivities is not a crime.   Yet.

Let's focus on an administration that has sigged the IRS on the Tea Party and are spoiling to get into armed conflicts with Red State Conservatives who aren't costing the government a thin dime.

Can somebody please show me where the United States Government is being cheated here?  What product has been stolen?  Grass?

IMO, the fee was paid soon as the bovine pooped.   LOL!

OK... I'll play.

I too want 750,000 acres of land for free to run my business on.

Better yet, we should ALL each get 750,000 acres of land free to use for us to build a business on.

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HappyG wrote above:
[[ I can't believe how a private citizen is being beat up by supposedly smart people. They all act like he should be a spokesperson for the republican party. In many ways, he is a lot smarter than those who are belittling him. ]]

Thought came to me while reading this thread.
Consider this a poll.
I will reckon that few here will answer honestly.

From out of the blue, you get two invitations:
- The first is from Cliven Bundy to visit his ranch, have lunch and survey the situation out there for yourself.
- The second is from Barack and Michelle Obama, inviting you to the White House for lunch.

All expenses will be paid. All you have to do is say yes.
But you can only accept ONE invitation.

Which shall be your choice?

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Howie66 wrote above:
[[ That term "racist" hold no meaning any longer. It has been thrown around so much that it's a freaking joke. The only people that used that stupid and pointless word are the real "racists" if you think about it. ]]

Total agreement, Howie.

Shame on those in this forum who accuse others of being "racis'". And that includes tossing the term at Cliven Bundy, as well.

I accuse their motivations by the use of that term, to be EXACTLY the same as when leftists use it: that is, to intimidate the [other] speaker into silence, and make them (and not their words) the issue.

Haven't we learned anything in the past forty years ??

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HappyG wrote above:
[[ I can't believe how a private citizen is being beat up by supposedly smart people. They all act like he should be a spokesperson for the republican party. In many ways, he is a lot smarter than those who are belittling him. ]]

Thought came to me while reading this thread.
Consider this a poll.
I will reckon that few here will answer honestly.

From out of the blue, you get two invitations:
- The first is from Cliven Bundy to visit his ranch, have lunch and survey the situation out there for yourself.
- The second is from Barack and Michelle Obama, inviting you to the White House for lunch.

All expenses will be paid. All you have to do is say yes.
But you can only accept ONE invitation.

Which shall be your choice?

That there is a no-brainer for me, I will choose to visit Bundy!!


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