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How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« on: April 23, 2014, 03:17:37 PM »

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2014, 03:38:24 PM »
Lindsey "Light in the Loafers" Graham supported Kagan and Sotomayor, supports full amnesty, supports Global Warming initiatives, supports sending American troops to most every war,  If Graham wins in South Carolina, Conservatism and the nation is lost and I see no hope. 

Any alternative to Lindsey is preferable, even a democrat, as he is perverting Conservatism in full force in a red state.  I voted against the effeminate man twice in 2008 and it looks like I will have to do it again.

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2014, 04:18:29 PM »
Any vote against Graham in the primary-- for any candidate on the ballot whatsoever-- is a vote that helps deprive him of the needed majority. He represents the worst of Washington and, even more than McConnell (and McConnell needs to go for other reasons), absolutely must be defeated.

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 04:20:54 PM »
Any vote against Graham in the primary-- for any candidate on the ballot whatsoever-- is a vote that helps deprive him of the needed majority. He represents the worst of Washington and, even more than McConnell (and McConnell needs to go for other reasons), absolutely must be defeated.

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2014, 04:46:43 PM »
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If Graham wins in South Carolina, Conservatism and the nation is lost and I see no hope. 

Silly.
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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2014, 05:02:40 PM »
Lindsey "Light in the Loafers" Graham supported Kagan and Sotomayor, supports full amnesty, supports Global Warming initiatives, supports sending American troops to most every war,  If Graham wins in South Carolina, Conservatism and the nation is lost and I see no hope. 

Any alternative to Lindsey is preferable, even a democrat, as he is perverting Conservatism in full force in a red state.  I voted against the effeminate man twice in 2008 and it looks like I will have to do it again.

The only reason to vote for Lindsay Graham is to help ensure a GOP Senate, if it looks like it's going to be a close call.
 
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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2014, 01:53:08 AM »
At least conservatives can stand proud that they never strayed from their principles while they are rejected again by the voters of SC. :patriot:
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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2014, 08:53:00 AM »
Silly.

Silly and foolish to think otherwise.  If a flaming RINO can be reelected in a very red state like South Carolina the nation has moved left in a dramatic fashion.

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2014, 08:55:16 AM »
At least conservatives can stand proud that they never strayed from their principles while they are rejected again by the voters of SC. :patriot:

South Carolina has an open primary.  The voters you refer to will include many liberal democrats voting in the GOP primary.

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2014, 09:19:19 AM »
Lindsey "Light in the Loafers" Graham supported Kagan and Sotomayor, supports full amnesty, supports Global Warming initiatives, supports sending American troops to most every war,  If Graham wins in South Carolina, Conservatism and the nation is lost and I see no hope. 

Any alternative to Lindsey is preferable, even a democrat, as he is perverting Conservatism in full force in a red state.  I voted against the effeminate man twice in 2008 and it looks like I will have to do it again.

A few points about Graham.  I am also a South Carolinian (not that that gives me any better insight), and I would certainly hate to see the GOP lose that seat to a Democrat.  Other than that, I think challenges are generally healthy for a party. 

But there are some positives about Graham that seem to get lost during these pre-primary sorting out processes.  Graham is a friend of the military and almost always supports programs favorable to the military.  He has been pushing for stronger border security, and while he supports a comprehensive approach to immigration, so do most Americans.

He does take a leadership position on many issues, which frequently puts him in the hot seat.  He is one who is willing to walk over to the other side to try to formulate solutions, and whether or not all of us appreciate that, there has to be give and take unless one party controls everything.  In 2005 Graham led the Gang of 14 that ultimately resulted in an agreement that ended Democrat filibusters of Bush's judicial nominations. 

I didn't like his approach to engagement in Syria and told him so.  But he does have an ACU rating of 92 and votes with his party 85% of the time.

So while Graham says and does things I don't always agree with, I would much prefer him over any Democrat that would have an ACU rating of 0 and vote with the Democrats 85% of the time.  And we must get Reid out of the majority leader position this year.
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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2014, 09:23:14 AM »
Lindsey "Light in the Loafers" Graham supported Kagan and Sotomayor, supports full amnesty, supports Global Warming initiatives, supports sending American troops to most every war,  If Graham wins in South Carolina, Conservatism and the nation is lost and I see no hope. 

Any alternative to Lindsey is preferable, even a democrat, as he is perverting Conservatism in full force in a red state.  I voted against the effeminate man twice in 2008 and it looks like I will have to do it again.

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2014, 09:30:56 AM »
Voting for the most conservative candidate you can find in the primary and the republican nominee in the general is a very good rule to follow and I do!

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2014, 10:12:54 AM »
Voting for the most conservative candidate you can find in the primary and the republican nominee in the general is a very good rule to follow and I do!

I do the same thing, Bigun.  I'll probably have to vote for McConnell this fall after the primary, but I'll have severe abdominal distress while doing so and probably shed a few tears.  I will say again that Bevin signs are popping up more and more everyday here - but I still think the crummy incumbent will win. 

Having said that - at the rate things are going - I do foresee a time when I will no longer vote that way.  I'm losing faith in our current "two party" system, don't see much difference anymore.  Things are changing, not for the better.  The old ways just don't work anymore.

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2014, 10:53:05 AM »
I do the same thing, Bigun.  I'll probably have to vote for McConnell this fall after the primary, but I'll have severe abdominal distress while doing so and probably shed a few tears.  I will say again that Bevin signs are popping up more and more everyday here - but I still think the crummy incumbent will win. 

Having said that - at the rate things are going - I do foresee a time when I will no longer vote that way.  I'm losing faith in our current "two party" system, don't see much difference anymore.  Things are changing, not for the better.  The old ways just don't work anymore.

Part of the problem is people waiting to vote for "Big Seats", Senate, Congress, Governor, when they should start at State and County levels.  It will build up the bench and the party organization.
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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2014, 11:09:54 AM »
A few points about Graham.  I am also a South Carolinian (not that that gives me any better insight), and I would certainly hate to see the GOP lose that seat to a Democrat.  Other than that, I think challenges are generally healthy for a party. 

But there are some positives about Graham that seem to get lost during these pre-primary sorting out processes.  Graham is a friend of the military and almost always supports programs favorable to the military.  He has been pushing for stronger border security, and while he supports a comprehensive approach to immigration, so do most Americans.

He does take a leadership position on many issues, which frequently puts him in the hot seat.  He is one who is willing to walk over to the other side to try to formulate solutions, and whether or not all of us appreciate that, there has to be give and take unless one party controls everything.  In 2005 Graham led the Gang of 14 that ultimately resulted in an agreement that ended Democrat filibusters of Bush's judicial nominations. 

I didn't like his approach to engagement in Syria and told him so.  But he does have an ACU rating of 92 and votes with his party 85% of the time.

So while Graham says and does things I don't always agree with, I would much prefer him over any Democrat that would have an ACU rating of 0 and vote with the Democrats 85% of the time.  And we must get Reid out of the majority leader position this year.

Graham supports La Raza and Amnesty.  His gang of 14 endorsement led directly to the loss of at least three Conservative jurists on the bench.  Graham loves WAR and is willing to bankrupt our nation to support them.

Graham is nothing more than John McCains's mini me.  It is far easier to get rid of a democrat than our effeminate Senator.  In 2008, the democrat was MORE conservative than Graham!

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2014, 11:09:55 AM »
Part of the problem is people waiting to vote for "Big Seats", Senate, Congress, Governor, when they should start at State and County levels.  It will build up the bench and the party organization.

That's very true.  The genius of progressives is that while they say they are promoting the "empowerment" of the individual - they are actually doing the opposite - instead they steer the people into dependence on institutions.  I think this has created generational malaise among the electorate.  People I talk to are just worn down by trying to "make it" - feed their families, provide a nice home - etc.  The people are definitely suffering from mass depression, and I think that has a dampening effect on someone contemplating putting their head on the chopping block and running for any kind of office.  It takes a special person that has the resources to devote to winning, whereas most people have no resources left after just "surviving".   

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2014, 11:24:00 AM »
That's very true.  The genius of progressives is that while they say they are promoting the "empowerment" of the individual - they are actually doing the opposite - instead they steer the people into dependence on institutions.  I think this has created generational malaise among the electorate.  People I talk to are just worn down by trying to "make it" - feed their families, provide a nice home - etc.  The people are definitely suffering from mass depression, and I think that has a dampening effect on someone contemplating putting their head on the chopping block and running for any kind of office.  It takes a special person that has the resources to devote to winning, whereas most people have no resources left after just "surviving".

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Re: How Lindsey Graham outmaneuvered the tea party
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2014, 12:03:23 PM »
Graham supports La Raza and Amnesty.  His gang of 14 endorsement led directly to the loss of at least three Conservative jurists on the bench.  Graham loves WAR and is willing to bankrupt our nation to support them.

Graham is nothing more than John McCains's mini me.  It is far easier to get rid of a democrat than our effeminate Senator.  In 2008, the democrat was MORE conservative than Graham!

Graham supports comprehensive immigration reform which will include a path to legalization for some.  He also strongly favors and pushes for strengthening of the borders.  Whatever comes out of efforts at a compromise, if anything, it will not be close to S.1348 from 2007 that was almost everything Republicans could have wanted.  But at the same time it included provisions for a legalization process for illegals who had no serious criminal history, had a permanent job, and would not be utilizing welfare programs.  There were many other good parts of the bill.  But a handful of Republicans kept it from being sent to the floor.

Are we better off today, seven years later?  Most would answer no.

As for the Gang of 14, it effectively ended Democrat filibustering.  The three you mentioned withdrew their names in the previous Congress, before the Gang of 14 agreement.

But I do agree with you that Graham's support for war initiatives goes too far.
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