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Offline mystery-ak

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Hastert Gathers Chicago Republicans To Push Amnesty
« on: April 23, 2014, 11:46:06 AM »

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Re: Hastert Gathers Chicago Republicans To Push Amnesty
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2014, 12:03:25 PM »
immigration reform - comprehensive reform - is coming down the pike whether republicans/conservatives like it or not, and they have two choices:  (a) continue to stonewall themselves into irrelevance by denying themselves the opportunity to have any sort of a say in what that reform looks like, or (b) take control of that reform by taking people like Hastert up on their challenge, agreeing to the basic premises of immigration reform, and making sure to strategically choose their battles so that the worst of the proposed reforms - like citizenship for grown adults who knowingly entered illegally - can be blocked while the better of the proposed reforms - like better information gathering and tracking systems - are enacted.

In other words, republicans/conservatives can either get immigration reform done, or they can get done by immigration reform; it all depends on whether they ultimately prefer reality in all its messiness to the sterile cleanliness of ideological purity.

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Re: Hastert Gathers Chicago Republicans To Push Amnesty
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2014, 10:18:16 PM »
Oceander wrote:
[[ In other words, republicans/conservatives can either get immigration reform done, or they can get done by immigration reform ]]

No matter what the final "immigration reform" package looks like, it's going to "do in" Republicans.

Pick any choice -- you still lose.

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Re: Hastert Gathers Chicago Republicans To Push Amnesty
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 11:33:15 PM »
There ain't no such animal as a "Chicago Republican". 

There are lots of Stealth Democrats....

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Re: Hastert Gathers Chicago Republicans To Push Amnesty
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2014, 12:17:34 AM »
There ain't no such animal as a "Chicago Republican". 

There are lots of Stealth Democrats....

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There has to be at least one?
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Re: Hastert Gathers Chicago Republicans To Push Amnesty
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2014, 09:14:51 AM »
immigration reform - comprehensive reform - is coming down the pike whether republicans/conservatives like it or not, and they have two choices:  (a) continue to stonewall themselves into irrelevance by denying themselves the opportunity to have any sort of a say in what that reform looks like, or (b) take control of that reform by taking people like Hastert up on their challenge, agreeing to the basic premises of immigration reform, and making sure to strategically choose their battles so that the worst of the proposed reforms - like citizenship for grown adults who knowingly entered illegally - can be blocked while the better of the proposed reforms - like better information gathering and tracking systems - are enacted.

In other words, republicans/conservatives can either get immigration reform done, or they can get done by immigration reform; it all depends on whether they ultimately prefer reality in all its messiness to the sterile cleanliness of ideological purity.

Amnesty and the resulting destruction of America probably are an inevitable reality.  Conservatives can join and betray the Republic, its sovereignty and support amnesty and later watch on the sidelines and feign hollow outrage when none of their "obtained concessions" are enforced.   Alternatively, they can fight for the rule of law and American culture until the bitter end with their heads and hearts held high.  They can prostrate themselves before Globalists and large corporations who throw them their thirty pieces of silver (like Hastert) or they can tenaciously fight like statesmen (Sessions).  They can support slave labor wages for the global corporations or continue to fight for the wages and rights of American citizens.  For real Conservatives, the choice is easy.

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Re: Hastert Gathers Chicago Republicans To Push Amnesty
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2014, 12:54:36 AM »
Quite a pretty speech.  Reminds me of the parade of horribles the Supreme Court came up with to justify its Dred Scott decision.  I'm curious though:  are you aware of the irony in the fact that you sound exactly like a hard-core union progressive?

I was thinking the same thing!  It was like reading a much more refined version of what union leaders say.  Trumka would be proud to make that speech!
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