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Executive Order #12548
« on: April 21, 2014, 08:08:48 PM »
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. Determination of Fees. The Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior are directed to exercise their authority, to the extent permitted by law under the various statutes they administer, to establish fees for domestic livestock grazing on the public rangelands which annually equals the $1.23 base established by the 1966 Western Livestock Grazing Survey multiplied by the result of the Forage Value Index (computed annually from data supplied by the Statistical Reporting Service) added to the Combined Index (Beef Cattle Price Index minus the Prices Paid Index) and divided by 100; provided, that the annual increase or decrease in such fee for any given year shall be limited to not more than plus or minus 25 percent of the previous year's fee, and provided further, that the fee shall not be less than $1.35 per animal unit month.

Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this Order, the term:

(a) "Public rangelands" has the same meaning as in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95514);

(b) "Forage Value Index" means the weighted average estimate of the annual rental charge per head per month for pasturing cattle on private rangelands in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service from the June Enumerative Survey) divided by $3.65 and multiplied by 100;

(c) "Beef Cattle Price Index" means the weighted average annual selling price for beef cattle (excluding calves) in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) for November through October (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service) divided by $22.04 per hundred weight and multiplied by 100; and

(d) "Prices Paid Index" means the following selected components from the Statistical Reporting Service's Annual National Index of Prices Paid by Farmers for Goods and Services adjusted by the weights indicated in parentheses to reflect livestock production costs in the Western States: 1. Fuels and Energy (14.5); 2. Farm and Motor Supplies (12.0); 3. Autos and Trucks (4.5); 4. Tractors and Self-Propelled Machinery (4.5); 5. Other Machinery (12.0); 6. Building and Fencing Materials (14.5); 7. Interest (6.0); 8. Farm Wage Rates (14.0); 9. Farm Services (18.0).

Sec. 3. Any and all existing rules, practices, policies, and regulations relating to the administration of the formula for grazing fees in section 6(a) of the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 shall continue in full force and effect.

Sec. 4. This Order shall be effective immediately.

RONALD REAGAN
The White House,
February 14, 1986.

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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2014, 08:20:07 PM »
Private Grazing Fees in 2012: low $9 per AUM in Arizona, high $33.50 per AUM in Nebraska per month.

The Federal government that Cliven Bundy doesn't believe exists has been subsidizing his cattle business for decades, and he doesn't even want to pay that.

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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2014, 08:34:01 PM »
Wait for the spin on this !!
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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2014, 08:36:25 PM »
Robbers of even benevolent kings have often achieved folk hero status. And to many, our government is hardly benevolent.
For the progressive, there is very little to love about the United States. Washington, Jefferson, Madison? A bunch of rotten slaveholders, hypocrites, and cowards even when their hearts were in the right places. The Declaration of Independence? A manifesto for the propertied classes. The Constitution? An artifact of sexism and white supremacy. The sacrifices in the great wars of the 20th century? Feeding the poor and the disenfranchised into the meat-grinder of imperialism. The gifts of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, Astor? Blood money from self-aggrandizing robber barons. Nat Rev

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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2014, 08:47:21 PM »
But... I need to be clear - he is a thief, not unlike the vast numbers of people who defraud welfare.
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For the progressive, there is very little to love about the United States. Washington, Jefferson, Madison? A bunch of rotten slaveholders, hypocrites, and cowards even when their hearts were in the right places. The Declaration of Independence? A manifesto for the propertied classes. The Constitution? An artifact of sexism and white supremacy. The sacrifices in the great wars of the 20th century? Feeding the poor and the disenfranchised into the meat-grinder of imperialism. The gifts of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, Astor? Blood money from self-aggrandizing robber barons. Nat Rev

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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2014, 09:20:09 PM »

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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2014, 09:30:34 PM »
Can we stipulate the property in question is federal owned, not Bundy's own land?

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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2014, 11:17:07 PM »
« Last Edit: April 22, 2014, 08:26:02 AM by Luis Gonzalez »

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Re: Executive Order #12548
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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2014, 11:27:27 PM »
The reason that Hage won in Court and Bundy lost is because they argued two completely different cases. Bundy's mule-headed insistence that he will base his case on the on the idea that the land in question does not belong to the United States is what's made him lose both times he's been to Court.

Hage won because he argued a different case, and all the misguided support being given to Bundy should be directed at Hage and we should all be demanding that he be paid the amount awarded by the Courts.

Instead, what's probably going to happen here is that if (Heaven forbid) a shooting match ensues between the Feds and Bundy supporters, the media will turn this into an anti-Republican tyranny revolt because Bundy and his supporters are raising up in protest of a Reagan Executive Order.
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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2014, 11:35:44 PM »

Cliven Bundy is a welfare cheat; no better than the inner-city welfare queens the right so loves to lambaste; no better than the mythical wetbacks the right claims wade the rio grande solely for the purpose of suckling on the American taxpayers' teat.

Imagine for a second, just a second, that this case was a little different, and that instead of cattle being removed, this was about a family of illegal aliens who have been fighting two Court orders ordering their deportation for more than two decades by arguing that they can't be deported from what they consider to be their native soil, and that the United States does not own the land in Nevada that they live on because they don't believe that the United States even exists.

Imagine than when the Feds finally move in to forcefully remove them from their home, thousands of Mexican-Americans supporters show up armed and ready to fight the Federales, and surround their house stopping the enforcement of the Court orders.

What do you think Bundy supporters would say about that?
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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2014, 11:47:45 PM »
Imagine for a second, just a second, that this case was a little different, and that instead of cattle being removed, this was about a family of illegal aliens who have been fighting two Court orders ordering their deportation for more than two decades by arguing that they can't be deported from what they consider to be their native soil, and that the United States does not own the land in Nevada that they live on because they don't believe that the United States even exists.

Imagine than when the Feds finally move in to forcefully remove them from their home, thousands of Mexican-Americans supporters show up armed and ready to fight the Federales, and surround their house stopping the enforcement of the Court orders.

What do you think Bundy supporters would say about that?


Or what about a few native americans deciding that they were going to go back to florida and get back what was taken from them when they were forced out west on the trail of tears.

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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2014, 05:19:10 AM »
This is such a Bizarro world situation.

Here we have a ranchers who, via an Executive Order signed into law by none other than Ronald Reagan, benefited from Federal corporate welfare by way of grazing fees that have not increased a nickel in 36 years as a result of Federal subsidies (read: taxpayer's dollars), protesting that such fees (fees which have been absolutely immune to three and a half decades of dollar devaluation/inflation)and the management of the law by Reagan's designated Departments of the Federal government, are unconstitutional, but apparently only since 1993 and not between the signing of Reagan's Executive Order in 1978 and that time since he made payments to the Federal government for that 15 year span of time.  This rancher claims rights as a citizen of a nation that he doesn't believe exists, and upholds himself as some sort of freedom-loving citizen of that same non-existent nation, as he and his followers all argue the very liberal notion of having rights to things that they (by their own admission) do not now, nor have they ever owned.

Worthy of note here is that Bundy, while having support among militia and other segments of the population, lacks the support of Demar Dahl , a longtime conservative political activist and member of the board of directors of the Nevada Cattlemen's Association as well as the Nevada Land Management Task Force, a group working to bring vast stretches of the State's public lands under state control.

From the Las Vegas Review Journal:

Bundy listens to no one, has no respect for any authority other than his own, and there is a very real possibility that he will get people killed in his stubborn refusal to listen to reason, even when it comes from people who want him to win this argument.

Please do date check re:  bolded, Reagan wasn't President in 1978 or am I misreading something?  Thanks
« Last Edit: April 22, 2014, 05:20:17 AM by olde north church »
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Re: Executive Order #12548
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2014, 08:24:15 AM »
Please do date check re:  bolded, Reagan wasn't President in 1978 or am I misreading something?  Thanks

You're right... 1986.

My typo.


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