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I'm not a big fan of Glenn Beck, but I listen to him enough to know he's absolutely telling the truth about this.

Anyone who is 'disappointed' in him for not wanting violence doesn't know a thing about him.
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I wasn't his buddy to begin with. I'm more an "If he offers you his throat cut it" then a "turn the other cheek" guy.
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What a tool.
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I'm not a big fan of Glenn Beck, but I listen to him enough to know he's absolutely telling the truth about this.

Anyone who is 'disappointed' in him for not wanting violence doesn't know a thing about him.

I'm mixed on the whole situation but I do see and understand what Beck is saying. On one hand, our side really needed an event to get us out from behind our keyboards and actually standing up for something instead of just clicking away about it. Our side was peaceful, they were reacting to an outrageous use of force by the government- snipers and SWAT for cattle grazing disputes (the kind that have been going on since the West was won)? 

On the other hand, reading some other sites (no specifics mentioned), there are a lot of hothead keyboard cowboys who actually wanted shots fired and were drooling over blood. One I read earlier actually said it was a 'shame there weren't unmarked BLM graves in the desert'. Idiots like that give the government an excuse to create tyranny.

Tyranny never came out of peace, but out of tragedy or violence. I'm sure many in the fedgov were chomping at the bit for someone on our side to shoot first so they could crack down and use it as an example to put 'extremists in their place'.

Beck's call to have a cool head is understood. We needed to stand up, but we also need to keep the keyboard cowboys in check and make sure some Lone Ranger wannabe doesn't give the fedgov their much desired Night of the Long Knives.

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I'm mixed on the whole situation but I do see and understand what Beck is saying. On one hand, our side really needed an event to get us out from behind our keyboards and actually standing up for something instead of just clicking away about it. Our side was peaceful, they were reacting to an outrageous use of force by the government- snipers and SWAT for cattle grazing disputes (the kind that have been going on since the West was won)? 

On the other hand, reading some other sites (no specifics mentioned), there are a lot of hothead keyboard cowboys who actually wanted shots fired and were drooling over blood. One I read earlier actually said it was a 'shame there weren't unmarked BLM graves in the desert'. Idiots like that give the government an excuse to create tyranny.

Tyranny never came out of peace, but out of tragedy or violence. I'm sure many in the fedgov were chomping at the bit for someone on our side to shoot first so they could crack down and use it as an example to put 'extremists in their place'.

Beck's call to have a cool head is understood. We needed to stand up, but we also need to keep the keyboard cowboys in check and make sure some Lone Ranger wannabe doesn't give the fedgov their much desired Night of the Long Knives.

Those are the same keyboard cowboys who, claiming to be pro-life, thought that the murder of an abortion doctor in cold blood was justifiable.

They are, for the most part, deranged, and I'm not sure there's any way we can keep them 'in check.'
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I don't think firing a shot, or even a few, constitutes treason.  If it did, then every criminal who fired at a federal law enforcement agent would be committing treason.  Levying war involves a lot more than simply firing shots at federal agents.  But since some of those supporting Mr. Bundy are, in fact, calling for rebellion and/or organized armed resistance to the BLM, it might become a closer call.

There are militia members traveling into Nevada to "stand with Bundy", claiming that they are "not afraid to shoot" at Federal agents.

That goes beyond the act of firing at a Federal agent, that's (somewhat) organized insurrection, and the United States has never stood by idly when faced with insurrection.

See "Shay's Rebellion".

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See "Shay's Rebellion".

The number of participants in Shay's was huge in comparison to the population in the area.  There was also the Whiskey Rebellion and the Fries's in Pennsylvania.  Fighting against unjust laws or government overreach does not equal treason.
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The number of participants in Shay's was huge in comparison to the population in the area.  There was also the Whiskey Rebellion and the Fries's in Pennsylvania.  Fighting against unjust laws or government overreach does not equal treason.


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The number of participants in Shay's was huge in comparison to the population in the area.  There was also the Whiskey Rebellion and the Fries's in Pennsylvania.  Fighting against unjust laws or government overreach does not equal treason.

Oh, it was also significant as setting the precedent of the government taking the side of mercantilism over individual liberty.
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The number of participants in Shay's was huge in comparison to the population in the area.  There was also the Whiskey Rebellion and the Fries's in Pennsylvania.  Fighting against unjust laws or government overreach does not equal treason.

Yet Daniel Shay was charged with, tried (in absentia) and convicted of treason.

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Fighting against unjust laws or government overreach does not equal treason.

Only if you win.

You all keep arguing that there is overreach here, but no one can point to the overreach.

If charging for the use of the land is the overreach, then that's been going on since the 1934 with the implementation of the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934.  Harry Truman created the BLM in order to replace the U.S. Grazing Service, which had been the Federal entity managing the implementation of the Taylor Grazing Act. That act states that:

"... the creation of a grazing district or the issuance of a permit pursuant to the provisions of this subchapter shall not create any right, title, interest, or estate in or to the lands."

Bundy does't OWN the land, nor does he any any sort of preeminent right to graze on it. Furthermore, has he ever wanted to OWN the land, because if he did, he'd have to pay taxes on it.

He doesn't want to pay taxes to own land where his cattle can graze, and he doesn't want to pay grazing fees on the land he's using to graze his cattle on.

Cliven Bundy and his family have been paying grazing fees to the Federal government since the early 1930's, but in 1993 he decided that he didn't have to pay the Feds because they didn't own the land, but then, why was he paying the fees prior to 1993?   

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I take it, then, that you consider Geo. Washington to have abused his powers and imposed unjust and overreaching laws on the American people?  Why then is he still considered an American hero?

I'm not an expert on American history, I won't pretend to be one.  I think there was a difference between Shay's and the Whiskey Rebellion, commercial interests.  America has always come down upon the side of industry EXCEPT for when it clashes (not the best word) with revenue interests.
I think Americans view Washington as a hero for his accomplishments on the battlefield AND as a President who could have been King but refused.  People view Lincoln as a hero despite his trampling the Constitution.  Perhaps that's why another Illinois president in such high regard.  Publicly.
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Yet Daniel Shay was charged with, tried (in absentia) and convicted of treason.

Only if you win.

You all keep arguing that there is overreach here, but no one can point to the overreach.

If charging for the use of the land is the overreach, then that's been going on since the 1934 with the implementation of the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934.  Harry Truman created the BLM in order to replace the U.S. Grazing Service, which had been the Federal entity managing the implementation of the Taylor Grazing Act. That act states that:

"... the creation of a grazing district or the issuance of a permit pursuant to the provisions of this subchapter shall not create any right, title, interest, or estate in or to the lands."

Bundy does't OWN the land, nor does he any any sort of preeminent right to graze on it. Furthermore, has he ever wanted to OWN the land, because if he did, he'd have to pay taxes on it.

He doesn't want to pay taxes to own land where his cattle can graze, and he doesn't want to pay grazing fees on the land he's using to graze his cattle on.

Cliven Bundy and his family have been paying grazing fees to the Federal government since the early 1930's, but in 1993 he decided that he didn't have to pay the Feds because they didn't own the land, but then, why was he paying the fees prior to 1993?

There are certain choices a man makes and lives with the consequences.  I don't care a whit personally for the man except for what he can provide as a symbol.  He's basically Lech Walesa, he represents something, a figure to gather around.  Again, as someone mentioned somewhere, other ranchers, not the rancher organizations, but ranchers support him.  Why?
Why was he paying prior to 1993?  I couldn't tell you.  Maybe he got involved with some sort of crackpot personal sovereignty movement.  Again, he's nothing more than a symbol.
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There are militia members traveling into Nevada to "stand with Bundy", claiming that they are "not afraid to shoot" at Federal agents.

That goes beyond the act of firing at a Federal agent, that's (somewhat) organized insurrection, and the United States has never stood by idly when faced with insurrection.

See "Shay's Rebellion".

Could it be because they aren't afraid because the "strut around in tactical gear" office warriors opened their cock holsters?
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