[jmyrlefuller]

[rangerrebew]

But as far as liberals are concerned, its all good since the intention is good.  Sometimes even liberals have collateral damage.  Actually, most of the time.

[truth_seeker]

Ideally the environmentalists can be divided into factions, forcing them to expend resources fighting each other.

There are a wide spectrum of those with environmental concerns, including some that are moderate, pragmatic and reasonable.

IUn my area the extremists lost out, to the pragmatists, who used good science for their positions.

It had to do with restoration of degraded coastal wetlands, etc.

[rangerrebew]

With liberals there is nothing other than collateral damage.  The intended aim almost never materializes.

It isn't always possible to tell exactly what their aim is!

[truth_seeker]

With liberals there is nothing other than collateral damage.  The intended aim almost never materializes.

That doesn't stop congress from increasing the budget for the agency and the program.

In the 70s were were actively talking about zero based budgeting, and about sundowning programs, in the private and public sectors.

Now were are taking about doubling food stamps, and running up health costs at a staggering percent.

And the US government is complicit in misleading citizens of the real rates of inflation, etc.