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The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« on: April 13, 2014, 10:24:59 AM »
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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2014, 10:40:01 AM »
Cliven Bundy is a trespasser and a mooch.  He has been living scot-free off the taxpayers for a decade. 

That sounds a lot like quite a number of people in Congress, also.
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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2014, 10:53:57 AM »
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2014, 11:02:29 AM »
I don't disagree in the least.  However, the same sense of discretion the "militias" should have exercised, but have not, should be exercised by the voters when they decide if a left-leaning Democrat is preferable to a moderate Republican, even though the Republican has been around for a while and so has gathered a lot of critics who dislike his performance.

You are, of course, correct.
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2014, 01:34:31 PM »
Cliven Bundy is a trespasser and a mooch.  He has been living scot-free off the taxpayers for a decade.  The fact that the BLM added to this farce by descending Waco-style as they did does not, and should not, disguise the fact that Mr. Bundy is largely responsible for his own plight.


  Source??  It is reported that he has paid the state and the count grazing fees and they are up to date. By the way, the BLM manages the state of Nevadas land..


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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2014, 02:55:52 PM »
  Excellent response. One question I have is he claims that his grand father grazed that land . True??? Sorry I dont take the time to fully read some of the very wordy threads and responses. All due respect.

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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2014, 03:21:15 PM »
 
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"... the Chinese have paid $4.5 billion dollars to build a solar plant on the Bundy property.

The land in question does not belong to Bundy, nor has it ever belonged to the Bundy family.

This is at the heart of this entire issue.

The solar project died a year ago when the two sides couldn't agree on a price.

Bundy stopped paying grazing fees in 1993, and was ordered to remove his cattle from public lands in 1998. This all happened long before there was any involvement by the Chinese in anything.

Bundy won't pay fees to the Federal government because he argues that the land belongs to the State of Nevada.

The land has never belonged to the State of Nevada, it has always belonged to the United States. Even the original Nevada Constitution of 1864 clearly states that the land belongs to the United States.

Bundy claims some sort of preeminent domain title to the lands in question because his ancestors have been using them since 1877.

The land became the property of the United States in 1848, some 29 years before Bundy's ancestors began using it.

Bundy refuses to pay his fees to the BLM because he fired them for not doing their job as he believes that they should do their job.

Good luck with that.

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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2014, 03:25:50 PM »
  Excellent response. One question I have is he claims that his grand father grazed that land . True??? Sorry I dont take the time to fully read some of the very wordy threads and responses. All due respect.

The Bundy family has been grazing that land since 1877. That is what he claims gives him some sort of preeminent domain on it.

However, as was stated above, the land became the sole property of the United States in 1848, and it remains that way today.

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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2014, 03:32:46 PM »

  Source??  It is reported that he has paid the state and the count grazing fees and they are up to date. By the way, the BLM manages the state of Nevadas land..
Bundy him self acknowledges he is in arrears. About $1.3 million according to BLM, about $300,000 according to Bundy.

There was a tweet posted here, that somebody was putting up $1 million, to pay his fees. I have NOT seen posted here or elsewhere the terms agreed, for the deescalation, yesterday.

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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2014, 03:33:50 PM »
Cliven Bundy is a trespasser and a mooch.  He has been living scot-free off the taxpayers for a decade.  The fact that the BLM added to this farce by descending Waco-style as they did does not, and should not, disguise the fact that Mr. Bundy is largely responsible for his own plight.

Sorry but that is flat out wrong.  They own their ranch, the adjacent government grass is where the dispute lies.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranch

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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2014, 03:39:58 PM »
Sorry but that is flat out wrong.  They own their ranch, the adjacent government grass is where the dispute lies.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranch

That's where his cattle is being removed from... the government grass. That's what he's refused to pay to use since 1993.

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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2014, 04:46:38 PM »
The TRUE source of the problem may well be Harry Reid and his son trying to get some of that Chinese money.  From what I read, the local government is on the hook if Reid couldn't cut the deal.  Follow the money is what I've heard.
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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2014, 05:11:56 PM »
That's where his cattle is being removed from... the government grass. That's what he's refused to pay to use since 1993.

That's not what I was responding to.

anyway, i'm done

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Re: The Bundy affair is the tip of the iceberg to what's coming
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2014, 06:06:27 PM »
The TRUE source of the problem may well be Harry Reid and his son trying to get some of that Chinese money.  From what I read, the local government is on the hook if Reid couldn't cut the deal.  Follow the money is what I've heard.

Bundy stopped paying fees in 1993.

The court ordered him to remove his cattle from the land in 1998.

The Chinese had nothing to do with any of that.

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