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Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« on: April 12, 2014, 06:49:48 PM »
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2014, 08:12:04 PM »
Who are the tea party bosses of whom he writes? And why does he believe he can read their minds (whoever they are)?
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2014, 08:21:46 PM »
Would the tea partiers still vote for Rubio and Rand if they had to do it all over again?

I voted for Rand Paul before and I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him again.  And your point is...

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2014, 08:43:00 PM »
It would be very interesting if the Tea Party supporters stayed home or voted third party.  I wonder how the GOP would fare? 

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2014, 09:11:01 PM »
Would the tea partiers still vote for Rubio and Rand if they had to do it all over again?

I voted for Rand Paul before and I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him again.  And your point is...

As a resident of the state of Maryland and considering the sad state of politics here, I would be estatic to vote for Rand Paul.  I dunno about Rubio.
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2014, 10:07:39 PM »
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2014, 10:18:14 PM »
I would think a Maryland  Republican (or conservative or center-right) voter would be thrilled to get a Rubio type candidate to vote for.
Actually, I agree. I would take him over anything we now have in any position ...but I wouldn't be estatic.
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2014, 03:21:02 AM »
   Originally the Tea Party was largely libertarian in origin, then it got co-opted by a whole ton of people with varied interests and ideologies.   There's still a lot of good people involved with it, intelligent, strong-willed people who don't like the way the Republican Party at large is heading so its unfair for Reagan to paint them with such a broad brush but they did acquire their fair share of kooks along the way, no more than other political movements necessarily but the notion seemed to be in vogue was that having absolutely no background or in some cases, public speaking was a virtue and in the rush for ideological purity you ended up with some pretty lousy candidates.  The Sharron Angle's, Ken Buck's, Richard Mourdock's, they were heralded as outstanding victories by the Tea Party in the primaries.....and then promptly collapsed in the general election because they were basically unfit to serve office.   

        I'm not suggesting you push an ideologically flawed candidate just to win an election, especially if that candidate tends to be about as consistent as weather patterns in New England.   There's no way I can bring myself to voting for John McCain again, ever.    But being a complete wild-eyed outsider with little of a resume isn't necessarily a merit either, in some cases you had candidates like Christine O'Donnell running that had no real educational background at all.   


    I want to see more intellectual conservatives, people who are strong in their beliefs, who can express them eloquently and intellectually and have the mental fortitude to hold up against a series of withering blows from the left-wing media.   I don't want to see another Todd Akin spouting off about "fake rape" or other nonsense like that.   If you're a man, and you are a Republican and you say anything more about abortion other than you respect the life of the child as well as the mother, the media is going to gore you and absolutely obliterate you, no matter how well intentioned your comments may have been.   It's better to just completely avoid that minefield as a whole, especially with the red meat of Obamacare, the economy, education, government overreach, all accessible hot button issues. 

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2014, 04:52:10 AM »
     I want to see more intellectual conservatives, people who are strong in their beliefs, who can express them eloquently and intellectually and have the mental fortitude to hold up against a series of withering blows from the left-wing media.   I don't want to see another Todd Akin spouting off about "fake rape" or other nonsense like that.   If you're a man, and you are a Republican and you say anything more about abortion other than you respect the life of the child as well as the mother, the media is going to gore you and absolutely obliterate you, no matter how well intentioned your comments may have been.   It's better to just completely avoid that minefield as a whole, especially with the red meat of Obamacare, the economy, education, government overreach, all accessible hot button issues.

I agree completely.  Conservatism can be promoted with the right message from an erudite, and classy messenger.  Just as it was when Reagan was President and Buckley ran National Review.  Even though liberals ran the MSM they respected the abilities of both men to reach an audience.  Andrew Breitbart often talked about the need for conservatives and conservatism to counteract the liberal sensibilities of Hollywood  and the MSM.  You can't do that while promoting cock fighting.  The GOP needs a new breed of media savvy candidates.  We need spokesmen and spokeswomen who can stand their ground confidently on MSNBC and Bill Maher.
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2014, 07:50:29 AM »
   
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    But being a complete wild-eyed outsider with little of a res I don't want to see another Todd Akin spouting off about "fake rape" or other nonsense like that.   If you're a man, and you are a Republican and you say anything more about abortion other than you respect the life of the child as well as the mother, the media is going to gore you and absolutely obliterate you, no matter how well intentioned your comments may have been.   It's better to just completely avoid that minefield as a whole, especially with the red meat of Obamacare, the economy, education, government overreach, all accessible hot button issues.

One more time for the factually challenged:  Akin was NOT the Tea Party candidate, he was a SO-CON candidate.  That should prove the example to cleave the two forever more.
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2014, 08:10:32 AM »
One more time for the factually challenged:  Akin was NOT the Tea Party candidate, he was a SO-CON candidate.  That should prove the example to cleave the two forever more.


                I wasn't referring to Akin necessarily as a Tea Party candidate, just as a goofball at large  McCaskill clearly recognized a guy with diarrhea of the mouth and decided to throw her lot behind him.    Then a bunch of conservatives jumped on his bandwagon on the basis of him being a "good God fearing man" that had a great "conservative track record." 

     Even after he made those remarks you still had a lot of people on the bandwagon who started to blame the Republican Party for basically dumping their support and were convinced that he still would have won had it not been for Karl Rove.    The guy was a terrible candidate all around, representing a small ultra conservative district in Congress is one thing, running for a Senate seat and spouting off stuff that will send moderates and independents alike running for the hills is a surefire way to lose an election.

       McCaskill should have been toast, just as Harry Reid should have been toast, the GOP keeps shooting themselves in the foot with these off-kilter candidates that the media happily uses a broad brush to apply their miscues to all other Republicans.

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2014, 08:26:43 AM »

                I wasn't referring to Akin necessarily as a Tea Party candidate, just as a goofball at large  McCaskill clearly recognized a guy with diarrhea of the mouth and decided to throw her lot behind him.    Then a bunch of conservatives jumped on his bandwagon on the basis of him being a "good God fearing man" that had a great "conservative track record." 

     Even after he made those remarks you still had a lot of people on the bandwagon who started to blame the Republican Party for basically dumping their support and were convinced that he still would have won had it not been for Karl Rove.    The guy was a terrible candidate all around, representing a small ultra conservative district in Congress is one thing, running for a Senate seat and spouting off stuff that will send moderates and independents alike running for the hills is a surefire way to lose an election.

       McCaskill should have been toast, just as Harry Reid should have been toast, the GOP keeps shooting themselves in the foot with these off-kilter candidates that the media happily uses a broad brush to apply their miscues to all other Republicans.

Which is why the Conservative movement should walk away, as fast and far as possible, from "the God-fearing".  They should be put on notice there are issues beyond abortion and homosexual marriage.  If things keep going the way they are, carrying babies to full term might happen just for the nutritional aspect.
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2014, 08:51:02 AM »
So, By Michael Reagan's logic, we, here in New Hampshire, should vote for Scott Brown because he's not a Tea Party candidate? Sorry, but I'm not voting for a liberal just because he has an R after his name. It's bad enough that Kelly Ayotte is a squish and probable winner Frank Guinta is moderate. I'll take a bombastic conservative over a RINO any day.

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2014, 09:01:30 AM »
It is going to be a long election season.  I am weary of it already.

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2014, 01:37:28 PM »
Also for the factually challenged, Bevin does not support cockfighting.
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2014, 01:49:23 PM »
Also for the factually challenged, Bevin does not support cockfighting.

Doesn't matter.  You go to a cockfighting rally, you support cockfighting.

That's like saying if someone goes to a NAMBLA rally, they don't support NAMBLA.  Doesn't work.
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2014, 01:59:16 PM »
Also for the factually challenged, Bevin does not support cockfighting.


   Perception is reality.     I had an old NCO in the Army that used to say "95% of the Army is eyewash."    If you look well put together, that is what people will believe, if you look like a dirtbag, people will think you are one. 


      People believe what they see.   You go to a pro cock-fighting rally, you support cock-fighting, unless you're a Democrat, in which case you don't even have to pay your taxes and you can still be Secretary of the Treasury.

    Bevin basically buried himself with that misstep, all it requires is one.   I actually had strong hopes for Bevin because I can't stand McConnell even slightly and figured that if he were to be knocked out, it would send a message to the rest of the Republicans but no, Bevin stumbled over his own two feet.  Total unforced error.
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2014, 02:11:23 PM »
Which is why the Conservative movement should walk away, as fast and far as possible, from "the God-fearing".  They should be put on notice there are issues beyond abortion and homosexual marriage.  If things keep going the way they are, carrying babies to full term might happen just for the nutritional aspect.


                  I think candidates should have more to offer than proclaiming their orthodox religiosity every chance they get.   I'm not voting for a Bishop or a Cardinal, I want a good, intelligent representative in government, someone who will stand up for what they believe, who can eloquently express their beliefs and make a provocative and strong case for conservative philosophy.    Akin turned out to be a guy who was pro-life but more than happy to feed at the pork trough and happy to fund all sorts of spending programs, things I didn't see as being very conservative. 


 

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2014, 02:19:22 PM »
One more time for the factually challenged:  Akin was NOT the Tea Party candidate, he was a SO-CON candidate.  That should prove the example to cleave the two forever more.
And one MORE time, Akin WAS a member of the House Tea Party Caucus.

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2014, 02:28:25 PM »
On the cockfighting issue, although it is something I despise - you are talking about Kentucky - particularly Eastern Kentucky.  I was born and raised here, have lived here all my life. There are pockets of people who don't see anything wrong with it.  A drive in the country will take you past many homes where fighting cocks are being raised - not that far out in the country, actually. 

It brings to my mind a recollection of a funny story.  Several lifetimes ago, when I worked in the local HUD offices as a Housing Rehabilitation Specialist in conjunction with the Section 8 and Community Development Block Grant Program - I was sent to inspect a home IN THE CITY LIMITS.  I was amazed to find the homeowner was raising fighting cocks in his basement! 

The cockfighting issue with Matt Bevin is unfortunate, but I don't think it will hurt him as bad here in Kentucky as much as some on the outside might think.  I'm against cockfighting as a sport, but I still plan to vote for Mr. Bevin in the primary.  He is right, it is a States rights issue - not a Federal issue. 
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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2014, 02:34:31 PM »
And one MORE time, Akin WAS a member of the House Tea Party Caucus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus#Members.2C_112th_and_113th_Congresses
What Tea Party organization endorsed him?

It seems Steelman actually had Tea Party support. Akin was backed by the Huckabee wing, and Brunner the big-business candidate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri,_2012#Endorsements

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2014, 02:43:23 PM »
I live in Missouri and Akin was NOT a tea party candidate. Our primary is open to democrats too so they put Akin in as a candidate he was not a favorite here at all by conservative republicans. In the end I had to hold my nose and vote for him I hated doing that but anymore we conservatives have to do a lot of that. I now have declared I won't do that again no more voting for bad candidates. I will do a write in or not vote at all before I vote for one of these clowns that republican leaders put up as candidates.

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2014, 03:21:45 PM »
On the cockfighting issue, although it is something I despise - you are talking about Kentucky - particularly Eastern Kentucky.  I was born and raised here, have lived here all my life. There are pockets of people who don't see anything wrong with it.  A drive in the country will take you past many homes where fighting cocks are being raised - not that far out in the country, actually. 

It brings to my mind a recollection of a funny story.  Several lifetimes ago, when I worked in the local HUD offices as a Housing Rehabilitation Specialist in conjunction with the Section 8 and Community Development Block Grant Program - I was sent to inspect a home IN THE CITY LIMITS.  I was amazed to find the homeowner was raising fighting cocks in his basement! 

The cockfighting issue with Matt Bevin is unfortunate, but I don't think it will hurt him as bad here in Kentucky as much as some on the outside might think.  I'm against cockfighting as a sport, but I still plan to vote for Mr. Bevin in the primary.  He is right, it is a States rights issue - not a Federal issue.



               The problem is that he's running to represent all of Kentucky, not just a part of it and the Democrats actually have a formidable candidate in Grimes who is saying/doing all the right things much as how Heidi Heitkamp was in North Dakota.   The Democrats and their allies in the media will pounce on any perceived weakness and by the time they are done with him, Bevin will have been partying with Michael Vick, betting on dog-fights, drowning small kittens and attempting to run over small animals with his car. 


              If Bevin is the nominee, I hope that people would support him as a more independent voice for Kentucky but he can't afford any more missteps or miscues throughout the rest of this election cycle. 

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Re: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2014, 03:29:01 PM »
Continuing an argument, of was or wasn't Akin "technically the TP's official, endorsed" candidate doesn't matter.

It does matter that HE self-identified as one, the House TP didn't disavow his right to be a caucus member, and the voting public doesn't have time or interest to make such fine distictions.

And he turned out to be just one of several Tea Party candidates who do the conservative cause a lot more harm than good.

And as Reagan states, they seem to have a proclivity of foisting whackos and then losing elections, and along the way losing credibility for conservatism.

And the overall result was he lost the election, and that is how I measure things.

Apparently there aren't enough of just the right type of Republicans in Missouri, to control the situation there, what with them being victims of democrats, who tricked the system, found a willing candidate in Akins, got him to say incredibily stupid things.

I don't think the "Tea Party" movement is capable of doing much better than they have, which means more embarassing candidates, and no meaningful advancement of the conservative movement, which is NOT SOLELY comprised of the TP.

The idea that if you aren't a TP member, you are not a conservative  "worthy" is ridiculous, but it is part of the low information game on forums.

My congressman has and continues to be a very strong conservative, and he has chosen to not be labeled Tea Party.

TP support has declined, and for that reason it is NOT necessarily a positive label to wear. I know it is hard for many to grasp that idea.

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